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Dei, why are so many Malaysian gang members Indian?

Forgive the title. We really do not intend to be racist, we really don’t. (And if it’s any defence, this writer is part-Indian.) We’re writing this to highlight the problem of gangsterism in Malaysia and why the issue always seems to be pinned on the Indian community.

But before that, some background.

This story started out with us hearing about the gang-related murder in Klang and the retaliation murder that happened a few weeks back. The murders were said to be a turf war (extortion, organised crime, that sort of stuff) between two rival gangs, Gang 24 and Gang 36.

As we looked into the story, we found this one 101 East/Al Jazeera documentary that talked about gangs in Malaysia. If we always think of Indian when people say gang or gangster, the documentary said that it’s because they are the majority of gang members.

It’s almost half an hour long but we believe it’s worth your time:

Basically what this video does is point out a couple of things involved in the issue relating to gang violence in Malaysia. So yes this is what has brought us to pursue this story. What we want to do is look at these points and see if they add up to what others are saying.

 

Gangsters are not only from Klang but all over Malaysia

First and foremost, c’mon la, Klang is not the only place with gangsters in Malaysia. (And Klang isn’t all about gangsters and bakuteh, anyway.) The video above mentions that gangsters recruit members from ‘every state, every district…and neighbourhood’.

The Star reports that gang activity is present in many states such as Selangor, Penang, Johor, Perak, Melaka, Negeri Sembilan, dan sebagainya. And as we looked around the internet, we managed to find reports of gang related crimes in many different states. It was also reported that there are 8 thousand gang members in Penang alone.

In fact, here is a video of a gang fight in Penang.

So the point is, if you’re gonna blame some place, don’t blame Klang, blame Penang! Just joking. We still love you Penang. Don’t hate us.
Our actual point is that gangsterism affects the whole of Malaysia and that it’s not an issue that is geographical in nature.

But the majority of gangsters in Malaysia are, in fact, Indian

We assure you we are not making this up. The 101 East/Al Jazeera video (Malaysia’s gang menace) that we talked about earlier said that Indians make up most of the gang members in Malaysia.

And they’re not the only ones who said so.

The Star’s article that we referred to earlier also stated the racial composition of gang members in Malaysia and it showed that nearly 29 thousand, or 70 percent of gang members in Malaysia are ethnic Indians. And to put things in perspective, Indians make up only 7.3 percent of Malaysia’s population. Not 73 percent ah but 7.3 percent.

Gang stats

Something is definitely wrong here. And we’re not talking about the math!

Excuse the language ah but how da heck did this happen??

 

Indians are among the poorest people in Malaysia

Again we’re not trying to be racist. Hear us out on this.

Why are Indians so poor that so many of them are turning to lives of crime? There was a section that really caught our attention in this video.

“For generations the (rubber) estates provided hundreds of thousands of Indian families with housing, jobs and schools, but all that changed in the 1970’s. New economic policies saw private companies take over the estates, replace rubber with oil palm, and hire cheaper foreign labour.

Today, within one generation, most estate Indians have been forced into urban centres, leaving them unskilled and trapped in poverty.” – 101 East/Al Jazeera

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A low cost flat that houses former plantation workers. Screen cap from YouTube.

This has been echoed by Anas Zubedy in his articles for Free Malaysia Today in which he mentions that the New Economic Policy of 1970 (which you can read about here) did not cover Indian estate workers.

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This is because:

1. The data which included very rich and very poor indians were lumped together, creating a skewed average.

2. Indian estate workers were employees of the private limited companies who owned the estates, and thus they did not fall under the scope of the NEP.

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Indian immigrants working in a rubber plantation during British Colonial Times. Image credit to iumwmalaysianstudies.blogspot.com

But is this true?

Are the Indians below the poverty line worse off as compared to Malays and Chinese below the poverty line? As we looked deeper into this, we found that the mean monthly gross income of the bottom 40 percent of the population is quite similar across races. We also found that the poverty line has been decreasing across all races. So what exactly makes the Indians poorer than other races in Malaysia?

Well one counter argument would be the very definition of poverty.

This article by The Malaysian Insider points out that the government’s definition of poverty is households earning less than RM860. We won’t go into details but that is a really small amount to consider as poverty seeing as to how the minimum wage of Malaysia is currently RM900 in Semenanjung and RM800 in Sabah and Sarawak.

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Yea? Well tell that to every person working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet.

The other argument is that the NEP looks at the progress towards eradicating poverty by looking at non-Bumiputeras as a singe unit. Anas Zubedy mentioned that though the share of wealth of non-Bumiputeras increased to 46.8 percent in 1990 (as opposed to 34.3 percent in 1970), Indians only accounted for 1 percent of that wealth!

The Economist goes further to state that Indians have taken the place of Malays as the most disadvantaged ethnic group in Malaysia. But what does have to do with gangsterism?

 

The marginalised Indians take up gangsterism to escape their poverty

Consider this quote by Aristotle.

“Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime” – Aristotle

Crime or to be more specific for the sake of this article, gangsterism has strong roots in poverty (you can read more about the connection between the two here). While we cannot say that it is the definite cause of crime, this report by The Star shows interesting perspectives from 2 former gang members on how a lack of money can drive people to it. In it they mentioned gangs to be a way to escape poverty and joblessness.

“On the bus, I would leave the bag with the drugs in the luggage compartment while my clothes would be in a carry-on bag. That way, if the cops find the drug, I would deny all knowledge and say I only had my carry-on bag. Luckily, I was never caught. […]

That was more than 10 years ago. I was paid RM15,000 for every trip.” – Ramu (not his real name), as quoted by The Star.

RM15,000 a trip? That’s not bad at all, is it? It’s definitely not legal, but realistically, how do you expect them to turn that down when the alternative is poverty?

And as for the (attempted) revolution bit? Think 2007 HINDRAF Rally.

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A scene from the 2007 HINDRAF Rally. Photo credit to theonlinecitizen.com

 

They’re not always the bad guys in the story

This does not in any way justify the wrongs they have committed. If they have broken the law, they should be accountable for their actions. But that’s not the point here.

We can go on saying that it’s their fault for committing crime and all of them should be punished but in the end, does that solve the problem in the long run?

Maybe we need to consider that the problem of gangsterism goes beyond race and morals. That the problem does weave itself into the very fabrics of our society. And how we respond to this is of utmost importance.

“We must remember and take to heart that the Malaysian Indian poor problem is not an Indian problem, but a Malaysian one.” – Anas Zubedy, as written in Free Malaysia Today.

46 Comments

  1. indianfart

    03/04/2016 at 11:44 pm

    @indians says ”

    why no post when indian achieve something?….” .

    Yes, there are indians who do well, especially those in the neighboring countries such as Singapore where promoting multiracial society just to protect the Westerners and also the indians after the colonial days really created some world-class indian high achievers. However, when come to helping poor members of their own indian community, we don’t really see much in our own eyes, and we are not color-blind. Occasionally we read some “encouraging” news done by indians, but those were actually Bollywood-style news after some really bad eyewitness reporting of indian tradition such as trouble-making and rioting after group drunkenness, adult indian males beating or slaughtering their own women and kids, scolding the Malays and Chinese, indian males secretly gays, stealing, big liars, backstabbing office colleagues or own political members, cheating, gang-rape, molesting, very lazy at work, argumentative, murderous, bad temple, no sense of social responsibility, disregards of human lives etc….. the list goes on.

    For a race that beat their own women and small kids, don’t think these male adult indians will be given important roles to work on, NOT in Ausi, USA, UK and most of Europe, even though we understand that indian men always like to be with the Westerners, and thus most make an effort to speak very good England in the hope to get there without their women.

    Any non-indian country that is administered and run by indians, there will be chaos, disease & rats ridden, dirty & smelly & noisy, and indian men always instigate to stir up wars, and they will bring very bad lucks to other ethnic groups, just like their own motherland india. Some examples, Louisianan USA governor Bobby Jindal caused massive state deficit or Singapore indian chief justice & law minister caused historical high crime rate in SIngapore but news suppressed or toned down by their indian editor…… just to name a few.

    In conclusion, the indian males, especially the older ones, cannot blame their own women and small kids, or blame on other races or countries for discrimination or unfair treatment, because you the majority indian adult men FAIL to protect your own community reputation and continue to exhibit bad behaviors and mentality.

  2. Vince JP

    05/11/2015 at 2:53 pm

    Aiyoh this Buddham Sharnam person has so much nonsense to spew out, but not even one suggestion for solving a perceived problem. What is the point of talking so much then? Be constructive, or shut that trap – empty vessels are just embarrassing mate.

    I do agree that there are problems within the Tamil community in Malaysia. Just for your info, Singapore’s Indians are the richest ethnicity in Singapore, Google’s CEO, Pepsi’s CEO are Tamil. Tamils (and Indians generally) are doing very well in the US, UK, Australia, Canada etc.

    So why are Indians not doing as well in Malaysia? The problem IS Malaysia. There is a myriad of complex issues, that you very determinedly fail to grasp, or perhaps they are beyond your capacity? You clearly have a vendetta against Tamil people, try working on it, and you will find yourself to be more useful to society. Otherwise, come up with something more constructive, it doesn’t look good on you at all.

  3. Buddham Sharnam

    16/08/2015 at 6:03 am

    The fact so many Indian criminals sorry TAMIL criminals roam loose in Malaysia, despite many orang asli poor, Indonesian poor, Bangladeshi poor, Rohingya poor, is simple. Malay authorities are too soft on Tamil gangs. Had this been an Arab nation or in the middle east or Iran or Pakistan or PRC China or Singapore, there won’t be any tamil rowdy gang member left to roam alive. Malays are too soft, they need to harden up. Leave the Sindhis and Sikhs out of it, as they are hardworking, refined, well educated, people even Sikhs came to Malaysia from poor backgrounds too. Many Chinese started out as poor too in Malaysia. The reason so many criminals roam free, is due to the soft hearted nature of the Malay led state. Sad. Put some Pakis/Arabs/Iranian or even Sri Lankan Sinhalese Policemen on the street, the streets would be cleaned up within 30 days of tamil goons. Giving such jobs to soft hearted tolerant Malay policemen yields no resuls. Your cultural mindset shapes your values, accept it or not, it is so.

  4. Buddham Sharnam

    16/08/2015 at 5:51 am

    Each person is responsible for their own choices. Poverty does not cause crime. That is a wrong and an immoral statement. There are poor people in many other nations, but they still work hard and live with dignity. By saying poverty causes crime, you are insulting poor people. Can you explain why so many Punjabi Sikhs in Canada’s vancouver and Toronto’s tamils are into gangs? Can you explain why Tamils are given death penalty in Singapore’s criminal courts often ? It has nothing to do wtih government policy or disparity, it has to do with moral ethics, cultural mindsets and values. Stop being lazy and do your own efforts in life. Don’t say “Indian problem”, any more as Sindhis and Sikhs are doing very well in Malaysia. So how can that be an “Indian” problem? It is a Tamil problem, address it as a Tamil issue. Indian is not even a race to start with but a British given word to lump many groups into one. This is purely a Tamil problem, Sindhis or Sikhs are not responsible for what a tamilian does. Sorry, but wake up the coffee, smell it, and change your own attitude to life. The Buddha was poor after he renounced worldly life, did he indulge in crime? No. By pereptuating this myth, you are taking away individual responsibility and moral responsibility of a person towards crime. India has criminals and violence, even among the wealthy elite. What has that got to do with poverty ? Nothing. There is no logic in your article rather worsens the “give me a handout or I will beat you up” mindset among Tamils. Sikhs and Sindhis are fed up with this.

  5. Vijay

    06/08/2015 at 7:51 pm

    Step 1 is demolish all vernacular schools…

  6. Danial Bass

    28/07/2015 at 2:21 pm

    If the poverty rate across races is similair why are indians more prone to gangesterism as The Star states?

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  8. Irfan denial

    17/04/2015 at 10:34 pm

    Im a penangnian and I find this offensive 😀

  9. lightimpact

    27/03/2015 at 4:04 pm

    Simple solution… open NEP up to poor Malaysians of all races. Eliminate the NEP benefits for the upper class who are taking scholarships for their kids while they buy Mercedes and bungalows at home. Do we have the courage to do this?

    • Buddham Sharnam

      16/08/2015 at 6:11 am

      no amount of wealth can change an immoral person to a moral person. Your choices determine your karma

  10. teejayselvam

    27/03/2015 at 9:16 am

    Over emphasis of the bumiputera agenda for 55 years has one casualty: minorities.some of these minorities are East Malaysian bumiputera and most notably orang asli. The Indians form the majority of this group. It was exacerbated by a poor choice of representation and an equally blinded prime minister of that time who wanted to disassociate his Indian roots and be seen as the champion of the Malays. But rhetoric is not going to help.sports job quotas and mandatory allocation of housing and skill training (poorly implemented due to discrimination) and a change in political representation is necessary.

    • Buddham Sharnam

      16/08/2015 at 5:57 am

      poverty does not cause crime. Individual choies and actions do. Take responsibility for your own actions as a Tamil community. There are poor in other nations too and also in Malaysia they don’t indulge in crime.

    • Appne Dosto

      03/11/2015 at 11:51 am

      Wrong! What is brazil,colombia,uruguay and all the other latin america countries? Do you know what ms 13 is? Have you seen their crime rate? You are speaking out of your ass. Get of your high horse.

  11. Jason

    26/03/2015 at 9:14 pm

    I agree that in our country, economic status a major cause of separation. Only the lucky few at the bottom gets to see things in a different light. See, you cannot repair things like this by biased, corrupt & rushed policies. You cannot make the ‘rednecks’ (usually the poor), rich suddenly. You (generally) breed a rich society of assholes, which make things even worse. There are well-off people, looking down on other races, not even bothered to lend a hand or opportunity to them, pre-judging, protecting their own race, or not at all, yet this people are calling for unity, equality & fair treatment.

    The govt may intentionally close an eye on some stuff for a period of time, after all, almost every ‘successful’ country had a history of corruption, slavery, wars, democratic dictatorship, bias-ness, economic, shit-crazy issues. All that as a means to get rich quick, but it has to stop somewhere to let the money, opportunity, and humanity flow freely again. Once a society of the rich exists, they, need to create ‘abundant opportunities’ for all others, instead of just using the $ figures to get better positions in world rankings etc. It helps the country but has failed to translate into helping the society at large (only at ‘few’). The way i see it, with the exception of town centers, it is the lower and middle class providing the most opportunities, at a cost of a huge struggle.

    It takes generations to rise up as a successful country. 2020 was a good timeline, but this is what happens when you close both eyes for too long. You expect to repair this in 5 years? Can’t be done (properly). Can you manipulate the papers and figures to make it seem like we achieved it? Yes. While we have manipulated our way through many things, continue on the same line & we are paralyzed. We’ll survive but we will never truly maximize our potential as a country.

    Come on, we have Proton, we have MAS, Petronas, KLCC, KLIA, Putrajaya, we have Siti Nurhaliza, P.ramlee, American, Japanese industries & technology, we have the MSC, we have a good military that fought along with other big players, we have University Malaya, we have this and that… but where are we in the world today? Heck, we don’t even support our own products. What have we learned from others? We failed to take pride and show the world what we are, the internal bickering has left us so weak. We fail to optimize and improve ourselves. We criticize, and counter-criticize but never finding solutions.

    For example, we blame Proton for poor cars, but the planes that bombed Pearl Harbour in 1941 were made by Mitsubishi! They technologies are sold to 100s of countries, way before we started, of course their stuff is better, of course their cars would be cheaper. They have a huge market to tap funds into their R&D for better and cheaper products. Yet, we chase after these ‘better’ products, not knowing that failing to support our industries is the cause of doom. Even worse, our industries are so pampered that after public pressure, they don’t even try… Tho things are slowly changing, too slow.

    While i applaud & support the govt for their effort in some changes here and there recently, more needs to be done. They cannot continue to let society and economy free will, as too many minds are too extremely corrupt & ignorant. Most citizens of developed countries, rich or poor, knows how the economy and the country works as a whole. Here, everyone just knows how to perform their job, read their books, get rich & complain of how shitty the country is. Here, everyone chases after something but gives back nothing. A complete chaos.

    It’s time for some PROPER democratic-dictatorship to SET THINGS in their CORRECT course for EVERYONE, or they day will come where 100% of the country turns again the govt, i guarantee that. They need to act now before it’s too late.

    Education is important too, extremely important. The reason why some races are more efficient/advanced/relaxed/backward/knowledgeable etc, is due to the education received in vernacular schools. There are just some things you cannot change, for example the chinese, whether in malaysia, taiwan, china etc, are well know for their efficiency due to our ‘hardcore’ education style. Instead of grouping the chinese in chinese schools, make chinese style education accessible to everyone, in Bahasa Malaysia! You have to remember that children grow up to their memories, the memories that their parents, teachers, and society gives them. What they see & learn translates to how they come out as a person.

    And you don’t do that, each race themselves don’t support that idea, then we all wonder why are the minds of the 3 races in the country heads in total opposite directions…. You either pull them all up together or pull them all down together. Now you have 3 different economic ‘levels’ in 3 different races right? And you wonder why. Though choices need to be made, realize that how hardcore a decision is today, just after 20 years of education for example, that individual IS the country itself. But this suggestion and idea itself of course, people rather take pride in their race, language, tradition, status quo etc, instead of unity.

    Idk what to do with this country anymore. Ignorant, hypocrites everywhere.

    • Chak Onn Lau

      26/03/2015 at 10:31 pm

      Well, you could write for us 🙂

  12. charisding

    26/03/2015 at 8:11 pm

    I teach in a high need school and can vouch for this to be true, and that it starts from schools – a background of poverty compacted with illiteracy, lack of education opportunities, being many, many years behind their peers by the time they are 13. Thanks for highlighting this because you’re right, we all need to help.

    • Chak Onn Lau

      26/03/2015 at 10:34 pm

      Maybe we can help. Do get in touch with us, maybe on private message?

    • charisding

      30/03/2015 at 7:52 pm

      Can. Where/How do I do that?

    • Chak Onn Lau

      01/04/2015 at 9:52 am

    • GranpaX

      29/03/2015 at 9:23 pm

      I was formerly from a school which was labelled as one of the few schools had gang-fights that blocked off the whole road. Mind you, my former High school is located very near to PULAPOL. They still had the audacity to have a “Young and Dangerous Style” confrontation. As a result, many were detained and 1/3 were expelled.

      Recruitment in schools isn’t only the issue, but the living conditions and the glorifying of the gang life by people surrounding them fuels the hype. The idolizing of “cinema-heros” in Tamil Movies that puts up gang life on a pedestal doesn’t help one bit. Kids in high school are very impressionable, it always ends up in “Monkey See, Monkey Do”. The constant finger pointing at the Gomen is the very common scapegoat. Beyond that, there are many NGOs that disassociate themselves from Gomen, and making an impact in the community. It boils back down to how much the individual wants to crawl out from the hell-hole.

      I know of a friend of mine went through the same thing. But then that’s another story.

  13. indians

    26/03/2015 at 6:47 pm

    why no post when indian achieve something? only bad things are always posted. majority of student get straight score in spm/stpm when other race can’t do. the young 3 indian students going to beijing soon, viral story that indian guy push malay guy bike about 30km,andanda krishna to help 2bil for 1mbd when gov give up. there more to say….

  14. indians

    26/03/2015 at 6:39 pm

    we have been denied equal oppurtunity in education and work, therefore the machas find gangsterism as short way to luxury. sorry if offended anyone.

    • Bunny

      27/07/2015 at 5:21 pm

      It’s true. There IS a quota for certain group of people; right from education to jobs and housing privileges.

    • Buddham Sharnam

      16/08/2015 at 5:57 am

      wrong, you and you alone are responsible for your own life and choices. There are other poor Tamils, they don’t indulge in crime. This is your cultural problem, deal with it.

    • Appne Dosto

      03/11/2015 at 11:54 am

      Its the enviroment caused by the imbalances of economic growth as well. Our Culture is 10000 years old nothing wrong with it. Segregation does happen. Its simple. When malaya started it was the indians in the polica departmenty,airforce,the first pilot of mas was an indian,the first train driver in malaya was an indian,the civil work,LLN and also DAP was full of indians. The list goes on. When we stopped judging people on merit and the malaysian governement practiced racist policies. It ended.

  15. n305er

    26/03/2015 at 11:24 am

    When I was small, I mixed with a bunch of kids who would form groups. These small groups would then do things together. Some groups would start playing with traditional games, some groups would start reading, some played police and robbers, and some groups will tease girls.

    When groups are form, the individuals in the group will start to build their personality through what they learn in the group. If the group tease others a lot, they would learn to tease as well and learning to be more social able becomes abnormal for them. And personalities grows as the kid grow up and soon, teasing becomes touting as they learn how to curse and insult.

    Where do gangs comes from? From parents/guardians and teachers who didn’t properly educate and bring up individuals when they were young.

    Of course, poverty will be a factor on how care taking is done. But do you know how many parents who just ignore whatever their child is doing in school and fully “trust” their teachers to take care of things for them?

    Just look at this comic strip and think…

  16. Kumaraguru Munusamy

    26/03/2015 at 4:04 am

    Just a say.. it’s not that Indian born with parang in this country. All the root cause need to be analyzed seriously, their background, family and brought up area need to be checked as well. I’m as a Indian in this country as ashamed as well on the attitude of my community. They makes people scared of them in public in reality world. Even I will be very careful when walking alone or when with my family and worried about their safety. But despite, pointing on them blindly, I am studying why there are so many samun cases and parang cases picked up in high range recently. There must be reason for all for all this.. The victim is not only the people who already involved in the gangs but also the young generation who supposed to lead the country is being spoiled and ruined their life either being chopped or dead. That’s worrying me more. What going to happen in another 20 years of time if this thing is been going on like a virus among the Indian community?? 🙁

    From.
    Malaysian

    • Buddham Sharnam

      16/08/2015 at 6:13 am

      Each person is responsible for his issues, don’t say “Indian” and drag sikhs and sindhis into it, they are not indulging in all this, this is a TAMIL problem, cmon accept it, change your culture and values or accept a better religion like BUddhism or Christianity that can teach you some good moral values. Being poor is not an excuse to do crime. Even Jesus and Buddha were poor.

  17. chandraraj

    25/03/2015 at 8:22 pm

    Wow! Everything in Malaysia is seen through racial lines! When are you going to learn looking at issues as it is?

  18. Human Activist

    25/03/2015 at 3:38 pm

    I’m Indian and I thank you for spending your time writing about this this major issues my community are facing, We Indians could offer a lot to the country if we had been given the chance & opportunity.

    Our empire during olden days stretches all over the world, best doctors,1st language, space exploration, technology, Ghandi, culture, food. medications & etc. I’m deeply disappointed and sadden of what is happening in Malaysia now.

    “If an Malaysian Indian willing to take the risk & face death when he joins as a gang member, imagine the potentials of what he can do to make our nation prosper – if he would have given the proper resources.”

    • Buddham Sharnam

      16/08/2015 at 5:52 am

      Wrong. Poverty does not cause crime. There are also other races poor in Malaysia, they don’t do crime. Crime has nothing to do with resource or poverty, it is to do with personal moral culture and values.

    • Appne Dosto

      03/11/2015 at 11:49 am

      Lol, low caste. The south is the most cultured place in India. The IT hub is in India. Aishwarya Rai,abdul kalam,a.r rahman and everything comes from the south. North Indians don’t go to north or south. There are pariahs in even Punjab. You definitely haven’t been to India to know that the south has the highest literacy rate. The best universities in india are i the south that northern people have to go to seek knowledge. truth be told south india has a large count of brahmins than the north. Even Nepal imports south indian priest to chair their temples. So you are definitely a racist. PS Tamils might be dark but they are the oldest people in India. Their are 200 million in Tamil Nadu. If you go there you’d know not everyone has dark complexion. Its obvious you are racist bigot that never been to india. I am brown and when i go up north people generally love me. They don’t segregate honestly. They just call themselves Indians

    • Buddham Sharnam

      16/08/2015 at 6:10 am

      “Empire stretches all over the world”, snap out of the Hindu nationalist dreamtime lady, and stop garbling the fairy tale cough syrup, to make you choke less emotions. You got to India, the Tamils will be called ‘blacks, low castes,pariahs” by the north Indians. You have never lived in India for long periods, you will be treated as a foreigner by north Indians, just because you are a Tamil. Wake up, accept your Tamil roots, live in peace with the native Malaysians. Buddha taught, EACH PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE for every action and thought. No amount of resources can make an immoral person moral, if his heart is immoral already. Even rich people can do crimes. People like you are exactly why Tamils are suffering today in Malaysia. You peddle dreams to them, but you don’t teach them to be morally upright people to make right decisions. Only an immoral person joins crime. So many other poor are working hard in Malaysia.

  19. Guest

    25/03/2015 at 3:35 pm

    I’m Indian and I thank you for spending your time writing about this this major issues my community are facing, We Indians could offer a lot to the country if we had been given the chance & opportunity.

    Our empire during olden days stretches all over the world, best doctors,1st language, space exploration, Ghandi, culture, meditation, food & etc. I’m deeply disappointed and sadden of what is happening in Malaysia now.

    If an Indian willing to take the risk & face death when he joins as a gang member, imagine what he can do to make our nation prosper – if he would have given the proper resources.

  20. Guest

    25/03/2015 at 3:34 pm

    I’m Indian and I thank you for spending your time writing about this this major issues my community are facing, We Indians could offer a lot to the country if we had been given the chance & opportunity.

    Our empire during olden days stretches all over the world, best doctors,1st language, Ghandi, culture, food & etc. I’m deeply disappointed and sadden of what is happening in Malaysia now.

    If an Indian willing to take the risk & face death when he joins as a gang member, imagine what he can do to make our nation prosper – if he would have given the proper resources.

  21. eddie

    25/03/2015 at 8:42 am

    I’ve dealt with gangster problem that targetted my company few years. My company is based in Klang. That’s when I gotten to know a particular Sargent Major of the police force who specialises in gangsterism. He did mention all gangsterism issues in Malaysia originated from Klang. Perhaps Klang is too small for so many gangs, so they travel to other states to take their own turf.
    A big crackdown on their activities few years back has slowed down their activities. Perhaps the current fracas is caused by new people wanting to take over the old leaders that were on the run from the previous crackdown.

  22. Yoga Baanu Ulaganathan

    24/03/2015 at 9:28 pm

    We all know the reason but what disgusts me is how people keep using the same damn reason as an excuse for years and years.

    Work your ass up la ! Make better choices rather than pointing finger at the gov or policies . What makes u think the world owes u a living?
    Study if you must, there are many gov colleges providing skill based courses with minimal tuition
    fee, take that up. There are many ways to escape poverty, forget abt wat happened to our parents generation,you still have the chance to change your life for better.

    What should change is their attitude, there is only so much others can do for you.

    • Roobendhiran Sethuraman

      25/03/2015 at 1:11 pm

      Easly u can say anything..but who is the excellent students in Malaysia….most of them are indians..Who got the best result in SPM and STPM in 2015? Indians…but we are not getting proper educational opportunity..Yes we can forget what had happened to our parents..but the effect is we cant go for further studies using their money like other races(C)…So please dont just simply blaming others…If you want to check on Star or other newspaper for jobs..They will be asking Chinese or Mandarin speaking guy…Now is that there is chance for us to survive…Im a teacher and im telling this with an experince…So u should change your attitude by blaming just one race…;)

    • Sures Thambuthurai

      25/03/2015 at 2:14 pm

      Excuses lar bro, no level of poverty though oppressed by a majority race should lead one particular group a life of crime and gangsterism. They are so many cases of hardworking indian taxi drivers, farmers, blue collared labours who have worked hard and made their kids into doctors and engineers. Why they can adopt such an attitude, there are also poor people among chinese and malays, statistically there are way more poor malay people than indians, yet our ppl make most of the crime stats.

    • loolikho

      27/03/2015 at 12:37 pm

      SPM levels in Malaysia are shit. The majority of the successful entrepreneurs are more street smart than book smart. Being just book smart isn’t enough. So please don’t place all your eggs in ‘who the excellent students in Malaysia are’

    • GranpaX

      29/03/2015 at 9:34 pm

      Mr. Roobendhiran your insight as a teacher proved to be valuable. Here’s a thought, perhaps the companies that are hiring should advertise in Mandarin so only people who are eligible only apply. Now we are trained to see any issue in Bolehland as a racial issue. Yes we are marginalized severely, BUT that isn’t an excuse for you to succeed in life. Yes our education system is broken. Yet we produce more and more Indian graduates.

      Look back at work ethics, we Indians have normal timing and “Indian Timing”. Most of the time when eased and comfortable with a job we settle with “Indian Timing”. Not to mention many blue-collar level workers are dominated by Indians. We are easily satisfied with what we get and not work up to reach a better level. If his/her “taukeh” pays about 2k plus for the job, it is sufficient until the need arises or cost of living increases.

      Rather than point or shift the blame, we should join hands not as racially based groups but as Malaysians to aid an ailment which is ravaging the community in whole. Choke the source of ignition or fuel, then the fire would not spark.

    • Sharon

      25/03/2015 at 1:56 pm

      Well, that seems to be just oversimplifying the issue. It’s like saying if you take Panadol, you will cure any illness, but can it cure cancer?

      Saying that studying or working harder and a change in attitude is going to improve your life is just naive. Come on friend, this is not a Disney movie.

      There is so many other aspects that has a play here, household income, household debt, cost of living, cost of education, job availability etc. Do you actually know how many employed graduates are already in debt even before they settle in their career? And mind you, these are only from student loans and owning a house or a car.

      Going by your logic, can you tell what is the cost of education? And what is the job guarantee after you get a skill-based education? and how many of those jobs are available out of urban areas?

      Yes, the world does not owe you a living (by which I think you mean money but it actually means an income sufficient to live on or the means of earning it) but the government does. It’s why they are there. To govern through fair and inclusive policies and ensure the growth of our economy to sustain living.

    • DK

      26/03/2015 at 4:41 am

      I have worked at ground level with low income groups, from my experience , its not the lack of help/opportunities available to them but rather the lack of commitment from the individuals to make use of it. There are opportunities to take up reduced fee technical courses (car repairing, technicians etc) but they simply weren’t interested to give it a try. Community colleges offer variety of courses wit a fee of RM10 , do u think our people go there? Nope. These are skills that can be used anywhere in the country (rural ka, sub-urban ka, urban ka.. semua boleh) Gangsterism is prevalent all around the world,even in developed countries where ‘fair and inclusive policies’ are in practice, we simply can’t put all the blame on the gov. If the banglas ad indons can make a living, the indians as the citizens of this country have much more options to flourish .

    • Sharon

      26/03/2015 at 10:29 am

      First, let’s remove the morality, emotion and legality point of view.

      If you could put a bag (of drugs) in a bus and earn RM 15,000 in a few hours (and I am in no way condoning a life of crime) compared to slogging 8 hours a day to earn a fraction of that amount. Logically (again without adding morality, emotions or legality to the picture), which is the obvious decision? and you don’t even have to spend money to study a few years to do that, you just need to be there.

      Yes, you can say that immigrants from countries you have mentioned have eked a living here but how? Definitely not while supporting families and going scuba-diving and taking soul-searching trips to the antarctic. Most live in squatters, in less than desirable circumstances. Is that what you are suggesting as a ‘better’ alternative?

      I am not justifying gangster-ism or encouraging it. But to truly eradicate a social illness you have to look at the root cause, understand it and also address each and every one of it. But who does it? You and me? We probably could, but how many can we engage as individuals? how much can we solve? Our circle of influence is only that much. You say that you work with the low income group, all of them? I don’t think so. Do you also work with gangsters? Do you know their life stories? What was the flip button? Was it the movies? or a personal experience or the lure of money and power? There’s probably 29,000 reasons for all 29,000 gangsters.

      So, who has time for them all?

      Yes, we shouldn’t solely depend on the government. But if we want them to change their game, then changes must be made to the playing field. You can’t expect to play squash in a football field, right? But who else has the visibility of all the issues, the influence to initiate change and the power to sustain it if not the government? We (tax payers) pay them for it. We elect individuals and gave them a responsibility to look at the playing field and make it accommodating to all. Their JOB is to look at this from a social and economic point of view and think and do what needs to be done.

      Gangster-ism is prevalent around the world? Not really. It exists all around the world. Because every playing field has a bully. It is only prevalent in uneven playing fields.

      But we can help level the playing fields by pushing for changes and touching as many lives as we can.

      Or we can just not trouble ourselves with all this and avoid making patronising (I-know-all-and-have-done-all-and-nothing-else-can-be-done) sweeping statements.

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