Culture International QW Social Networks

Sabah “nudist” Emil Kaminski replies to Cilisos

Last week, we published an article on how a lone Canadian dude named Emil Kaminski managed to take both the mainstream and social media for a ride. If you haven’t read that article yet (which you should), here’s the summary:

Emil Kaminski make post on Facebook, claim be part of stripper group cause earthquake in Sabah. Malaysian many many angry. Media many many report. Emil Kaminsky say he no in Malaysia. Much troll. Very plot twist. So wow.

So to our pleasant surprise last Sunday, Emil sent us an Emil Email about the article!

Before we head any further though, we understand that emotions are still riding tense over this issue and this article may resurface them, so we’ll do our best to calm you down by putting in cute animal picture “rest stops” so you can stare at their calming cuteness for a bit before moving on.

Extremely-cute-kitten_large copy

Woo-saaaaaaa……Unedited image from ClubPenguinPookie.

 

So what did Emil say??

Here’s Emil’s email, censored in consideration of local values and beliefs:


Hey!

I just randomly came across your article about the whole Malaysia trolling episode and I must tell you I really enjoyed the style and your attention to detail.  You are one of 3 (three!) people in the world that seemed to actually do their homework. I was contacted by a Wall Street Journal guy who immediately suspected that the whole thing was a setup, but nevertheless did an interview just because it was funny, and CNN folks had a strong feeling that this was not for real, so they bombarded me with the right questions. 

An incompetent journalist from Canada (I think it was Globe and Mail, but unsure) contacted me, but due to the time difference I didn’t reply to her some 8-9 hours later.  Her reply was “sorry, deadline, I already submitted the article”… And she did, by simply parroting everyone else. What’s the point of media if they do this?  I was making fake “press releases” from Air Asia and even the “UN”, and they gobbled it all up. 

Mind blowing.

Would you believe that my original intent had nothing to do with trolling, or Malaysia?  I simply had a go at that incompetent t**d of a politician you guys have in office… But then when it all spun out of control, I thought might as well have some fun with a social psychology experiment of sorts. 

Best part, some people STILL didn’t get the memo, and I am getting hilarious messages calling me a murderer, because of my nakedness on Kinabalu.  I know this is low hanging fruit, but how can you not take the piss out of that? 

Anywho, I am glad I stumbled upon your article, it gave me a chuckle.  

All the best, have a nice day!

 

Email


We’re not posting this because we’re trying to give ourselves a pat on the back for a job well done, but because it brings up some further points of discussion, some of which have been taking place on Facebook.
Also, because we can sorta see where Emil’s coming from. 
319713_10151150972692524_800937523_13060332_376443267_n

Unedited image from Shibashake.

Why did Emil decide to troll and piss off so many people?

Well, he didn’t quite start out to troll. As he’s mentioned both in his email to us as well as on his social media postings, it started out as a stab at Sabah Tourism Minister Masidi Manjun for blaming the Sabah earthquake on the stripping tourists. Response to that post went so far out of hand that he decided to start trolling as a social experiment of sorts.

But did he have a point though?

First off, it’s just what he does. Emil’s been in hot water before for presenting a negative view of Brunei in one of his YouTube videos, but as he says in his recent article about culture, there’s a good and bad side to any country or culture. Everyone reports the good sides so why shouldn’t the bad be given equal coverage?

NAH, BACA:
Guess how much migrant workers pay to enter Malaysia

Of course we’re referring to this in the general sense and NOT saying that the beliefs of the Kadazandusun are bad.

cute-animals-1 copy

Unedited image from Zimbio.

While Emil does contend that what the tourists did was stupid, his beef is with the government people who should know better:

3  Monkeetime

But again, that’s his argument. Many Malaysians out there will disagree with him, and this will be one of those arguments that will never be resolved due to something called cultural relativism. This is based off the idea that ideas of right and wrong are different across cultures because they are a product of that specific society.There’s a story about how the ancient Greeks would cremate their dead while Callatian Indians would eat the bodies of their fathers. When the two cultures crossed paths, each was equally horrified at the other for their “barbaric practices”.  

In other words – everyone’s right and everyone’s wrong, why can’t we all just get along?™

 

Why can’t we all agree to disagree?

2  Emil Kaminski   Cover Photos

Yeah sure, we can probably agree that Emil could have found a better way to express his disgruntlement, and there are points in his argument on the cultural thing that we can definitely poke holes in, but why do so many Malaysians insist on name-calling, death threats, and blindly following the rage train in response? How does that resolve anything? Is that the culture that we’re asking outsiders to respect? 

Instead, here’s what happens when a civil discussion takes place (also on Emil’s Facebook page). For reference, A is a local Sabahan while B is a foreigner married to a local who happens to agree with Emil.

Diskusi

At the end of it, each saw the other’s point of view, nice goodbyes are exchanged, and it ends with nobody’s mak being hijau.

And while we’re on the subject, here’s another thought to consider – without Malaysians sharing his posts and leaving “Mak kau hijau” comments on every.single.post.he’s.made, Emil’s little prank would have just faded into obscurity as a rant from a travel blogger. However, the continued threats (and even turning him into a meme with “Mak kau hijau”) has done nothing but increase his traffic and exposure (pun intended) – it’s like trying to kill a radioactive monster you accidentally created by dropping hydrogen bombs on it, really.

“How can you be so sure that he REALLY WASN’T in Sabah at the time?”

Some of you called us out on it:

Facebook

Screencapped from Facebook.

In the previous article, we made the statement that the media got taken in based on Emil’s claims without verifying that he was actually there.

Plot hole: We said Emil wasn’t in Sabah based on Emil’s admission that he wasn’t without verifying that he actually wasn’t. What if he’s double-trolling by pretending to be there, generate a lotta fuss, then saying he wasn’t in order to hide the fact that he was there the whole time?

giphy

MIND. BLOWN. Image from Giphy.

So no, we didn’t check with immigration nor the airlines – but we did compare the Sabah nudist photos with photos of Emil to look for similar body types (there wasn’t), so that counts for something, right?

We also asked Emil about the AirAsia plane ticket that’s been floating around as “proof” that he was in Sabah:

11390095_736657413110129_4428378489954848224_n

Proof found floating on the interwebs. Click for full image.

To which Emil responded with “proof” that placed me in Sabah in 2011.

Screen Shot 2015-06-22 at 12.26.43 PM

Nicely played, Emil. Nicely played. Click for full image.

He also said this:

“I am very much NOT in Sabah, and haven’t been since 2005.  I was in KL on May 2nd.  The ticket, which is very easy to create, was part of the collection of red herrings. … I am honestly surprised that people do not have the ability to tell when something is fake or photoshopped…  If you look at the original ticket (the one you sent) the booking date is wrong.  June 8th was not a Sunday.  A total of 2 people noticed that…” – Emil Kaminski, in email to CILISOS

Yep, the “proof” was planted by Emil himself. Marah tak?

11412224_1012573478753093_41798684743062854_n

See more cute hedgehog pictures at 3DFirstAid’s Facebook page

20 Comments

  1. Simon Chen

    10/10/2015 at 7:18 pm

    Good thing I did not know about this halfwit.
    He promoted his arrogance and bad returns is all he gets.
    Also, those nudist/half nude arrogant tourists must pay the fines. Sorry, it is not just some “f**king mountain”. It is disrespectful and insulting to other people’s culture.

  2. Pingback: 8 confirm-sure answers about what really happened with 1MDB | CILISOS - Current Issues Tambah Pedas!

  3. n305er

    01/07/2015 at 5:10 pm

    Oh and By the way… About the last time a whole bunch of nudist were at Penang’s Pantai Teluk Kampi… Does that mean earthquake or tsunami is going to happen there soon?
    I takut leh.

  4. n305er

    01/07/2015 at 5:05 pm

    CNN doesn’t really always care to check what they report though…
    That is not an ISIS flag.

    • Uihua Cheah

      02/07/2015 at 12:09 pm

      Oh my, whatever could it be then? 😉

    • Lydia

      02/07/2015 at 1:16 pm

      velkam bek noser!!! long time no hear ^_^

  5. Nikki

    01/07/2015 at 3:35 pm

    so he was not really one of the nudist lah?

    • Uihua Cheah

      02/07/2015 at 12:08 pm

      Short answer: No 🙂

  6. Lutisse

    26/06/2015 at 11:41 pm

    Hi Cilisos, thanks so much for your efforts to make this read as calming as possible but this particular reader hopes that you won’t entertain that t^%d’s quest for publicity anymore. Even those cute puppy photos cannot compensate for the sick feeling one gets in the stomach from having to look at his smarmy, narcissistic face!

    • Uihua Cheah

      02/07/2015 at 12:08 pm

      Hi @lutisse:disqus,
      Thanks for your comments and your concerns. Unfortunately, it’s Malaysians that are still keeping him in the limelight – which is something we’re trying to point out.

  7. H Kler

    26/06/2015 at 10:26 am

    Yo Cilisos,
    STOP attributing what Pairin said to Masidi. Both that twat Emil and you guys keep misquoting it back to Masidi. Correct that la… You are an online portal it’s easy to make corrections/add corrections.
    Masidi way to smart to say things like that anyway…

    PS-the article you linked to Masidi clearing quotes Pairin saying it… “Sabah Deputy Chief Minister Tan Sri Joseph Pairin Kitingan has blamed Friday’s quake that has resulted in the death of 16 on the “disrespectful and uncivilised” act of 10 Europeans going naked on the mountain top whom he claimed had angered the spirits of Mount Kinabalu.” – See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/masidi-manjun-dont-feed-the-troll#sthash.P4FJtbJB.dpuf
    Thanks…

    • Uihua Cheah

      26/06/2015 at 2:27 pm

      Hi H Kler,

      We’re not attributing the statement to Masidi but on Emil’s attribution of the statement to Masidi.
      This has been mentioned in our earlier article here: http://cilisos.my/how-did-our-mainstream-media-kena-tipu-by-one-canadian-dude/

      Both our articles on this subject focuses more on reactions and reasons how this troll issue became viral and not on the Mt. Kinabalu stripping incident itself, hence why we didn’t draw specific attention to it. Hope that clears it up 🙂

    • alantharrison

      26/06/2015 at 8:45 pm

      I’ve followed your enlightening posts for the last few days. Maybe you can explain something that’s puzzling me, as a non-Malaysian, and which I suspect may puzzle many foreigners.

      A quick Google search shows that, as you would expect, Malaysian universities employ distinguished seismologists, just like Japan, NZ, Italy and other countries with frequent earthquakes. Have any of these distinguished scientists spoken out to contradict what Joseph PK said? If not, why not? If I were a Malaysian seismologist I would be very angry that his ridiculous statement had made my country look backward, especially in these tragic circumstances.

      I also guessed that in Malaysia “Christian name” would mean exactly what it said, and that a man called Joseph would be at least a nominal Christian. JPK is in fact a Roman Catholic. Again, has the Archbishop of Kota Kinabulu made any statement to indicate that attributing blame for a fatal earthquake to some men getting undressed and some women partially undressed and thereby making God angry, so that God goes on to kill a number of innocent people, is completely contrary to Catholic teaching?

      In both cases, it seems that either those who should have taken JPK to task for his silly statement have failed to do so, or that the press has failed to report such action.

    • Uihua Cheah

      28/06/2015 at 7:02 pm

      Hi alantharrison,

      To answer your question, I believe the issue here isn’t between science and spiritual/religious belief but more of respect of Malaysia’s spiritual customs. The initial reports indicated that JPK and Masidi were both speaking out for the Kadazandusun who initially brought up the issue of the stripping tourists causing the earthquake.

      Several local seismologists have in fact spoken about the cause of the earthquakes (you can find a couple of them here: http://cilisos.my/is-this-sabah-earthquake-the-strongest-one-yet/).

      But at the core of it, it just seems that the whole issue was blown out of proportion because “Stripping tourists anger mountain gods, causes earthquake” makes for juicier news than “Tectonic plates shift, cause earthquake”.

      I hope that answers it 🙂

    • alantharrison

      28/06/2015 at 8:36 pm

      Thanks for your reply. What I’m trying to do is imagine myself in the position of a Malaysian seismologist heading for Oxford or Harvard to give a paper at a conference. The quoted ministers went well beyond expressing sympathy for the affront felt by the local people. They appeared to endorse the pre-scientific view.

      I agree about the “blown out of proportion” thing. this was, i fact, precisely the terminology used by neighbours of the Hawkins family on British TV reports.

  8. suanie

    26/06/2015 at 12:44 am

    Har? Still talking about this ar? Money mising from the government again lehhh! 😛

    • Uihua Cheah

      26/06/2015 at 2:27 pm

      Duit aku hijau!

  9. Waimin Wong

    25/06/2015 at 2:58 pm

    What I agree: People should really stop making useless and outrageous stuff viral needlessly, and stop jumping on rage-y bandwagons. It’s a disease among online communities esp on FB, not just Malaysians.

    My pov: Emil could’ve gotten his point across in a more respectable manner, without offending Sabahans and Malaysians as a whole. This modern “freedom of speech” really encourages people to be incredibly disrespectful of others.

    My conclusion: Emil was a troll; If you can’t advise trolls DO NOT call his/her mom green, simply ignore and report the perp; online communities have a disease that needs curing urgently.

  10. Choen Lee

    25/06/2015 at 12:55 pm

    ingenious

  11. Rewarp

    25/06/2015 at 1:56 am

    gg;wp

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *


Here at CILISOS, we believe that the only way to consume information is with a serious dose of flavour. Our aim is to make mundane things like news and current events entertaining, and informative, hopefully in equal measure. Read More

The Serious Legal Stuff

GOT A QUESTION FOR US?

Cilisos Media Sdn. Bhd. Copyright © 2020. All rights reserved.

To Top
Send this to a friend