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The man who wouldn’t let race stop him from uniting Singapore

UPDATE: RIP Lee Kuan Yew. You’ve had a more productive life that arguably anyone on the planet.

At present, Lee Kuan Yew at 91 is in critical condition. We actually wrote this article last week to publish if he did indeed pass on, but we’re feeling a bit strange waiting around like vultures for if/when it happens, and feel disrespectful to be opportunistic to only honour his life as it is about to end. So let’s not wait… because truly great men should be honoured while they’re still with us.

Many, if not all of us, would have at least heard of the name Lee Kuan Yew. Widely regarded as the founding father of modern Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew is also a man who led Singapore into the uncharted territory of independence when they split from Malaysia in 1965.

We always hear this, don’t we?

We learn in Sejarah that Singapore initially joined Malaysia, but after a few years, they left. But little do we know of what really happened back then. It would seem that the separation hurt Lee Kuan Yew deeply. So deeply that he cried when announcing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amh93nlCdFk

Singapore has come a long way since then, with a GDP not much smaller than its much larger, resource-rich neighbour (that’s us).

A lot of it was really down to one man’s determination to rule by his principles. At the heart of the separation of Singapore from Malaysia was Lee Kuan Yew’s heart for his people. And even if he has quietened down a lot (he is 91 after all), no one can deny the progress Singapore has made as a nation. Many parallels have been drawn between Lee Kuan Yew, and another famously controversial leader, Steve Jobs. But while Steve Jobs built a few successful companies, Lee Kuan Yew built an entire nation.

In reading these things, it’s interesting to note the difference in the choices made by him, versus the leaders of Malaysia, along the way – particularly when it comes to the diversity of race.

Singapore was a multi-ethnical race just like Malaysia (but with the Chinese being the majority). How did the founding father of Singapore lead this small, fragile country in such a way that they moved forward so quickly? Did the issues of race and equality not hinder them at all?

LKY believed in a ‘Malaysian Malaysia’, and maybe that’s why we kicked him out

While we do learn in school about the history of Malaysia and that Singapore left in 1965, we are still kind of vague as to what actually happened. The Malaysian Bar mentions that disputes such as tax and revenue were ironed out (albeit hastily) but the tension between Tunku Abdul Rahman’s Alliance Party (now Barisan National) and LKY’s People’s Democratic Party probably had something to do with it.

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The logo of the People’s Action Party, which is said to have inspired another Action Party. Even logo look similar kan? Photo from Wikipedia

Lee Kuan Yew eventually orchestrated a demonstration that called for a ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ that eventually led Malaysian leaders to conclude that he was challenging the special rights of the Malays. This, coupled with the racial riots of 1964 (yes, there were technically other racial riots aside from the May 13th, 1969 incident because Singapore was a part of Malaysia at that time) eventually led to Singapore leaving Malaysia.

Technically, he got his wish. Even if it was at a cost, leaving Malaysia allowed him to develop Singapore into a Malaysian Malaysia, or…Singaporean Singapore! The point is, he believed in it. He believed in a concept of equal opportunity so much that he was willing to risk leaving Malaysia (since Singapore is rather small). And that belief drove him to do many other things for Singapore.

 

LKY made English the uniting language

One of the first things Singapore did after gaining its independence was to introduce the Bilingual Education Policy. Basically, it means that they had to learn 2 different languages.

This study mentions that in 1966, parents in Singapore were given a choice.

Their children could learn any one of the four official languages (English, Mandarin, Malay, Tamil) of Singapore, but they had to study another official language at the same time. Students who were not studying in English medium schools had to learn English as the other official language. This essentially made it compulsory for every citizen to learn English.

The effects of this could only be seen years later, when this led to English becoming the common language of the people (rather strangely tho, Malay is still its ‘national language’). Singapore eventually closed down their Chinese and Tamil medium schools and integrated them into a single-stream education system. We couldn’t find the exact reports for this, but they are mentioned in news reports here and here.

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Even the prestigious Nanyang University, the only university outside China to provide tertiary education in Chinese, was closed down due to falling student enrolment. Photo from Wikipedia

Lee Kuan Yew talks about this decision in his book ‘My Lifelong Challenge: Singapore’s Bilingual Journey’. In it, he details why such harsh decisions were made.

“Just learning Chinese as mother tongue would jeopardise our survival. Knowing only English could cost us our cultural identity and national pride.

Mr Lee is convinced that the bilingual policy is the best strategy for us to compete as well as a pillar in nation building.” – Excerpt of review of Lee Kuan Yew’s book ‘My Lifelong Challenge: Singapore’s Bilingual Journey’. Taken from sph.com.sg

What can see from this? Lee Kuan Yew did not consider race as something to be done away with, but it was secondary to what Singapore really needed: unity. He was a man who was willing to give up a part of his nation’s identity to protect it.

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The cover of his book if you wanna go look for it. Image credit to goodreads.com.

LKY also made Singaporeans of different races stay together

The next huge initiative of the Singaporean gomen to integrate races was the Ethnic Integration Policy in 1989. When the gomen found out that groups of races started to cluster in different public housing flats (HDB flats), they implemented this policy of race quotas.

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Now, race quotas have a very negative connotation in Malaysia but this is what the Singapore gomen did. They implemented race quotas to balance out the races in public flats to ensure no area became too clustered with a specific race.

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An aerial view of Bukit Batok, a public housing area in Singapore.

The system isn’t perfect, but the point is this. Even when he was about to step down from his position of Prime Minister (he stepped down in 1990), Lee Kuan Yew was still up for new ideas to foster racial integration. Because really, even if his name wasn’t mentioned as to be directly involved, would you think he would have let it happen if he had disagreed?

 

LKY believed people weren’t equal, but he believed in people

Lee Kuan Yew was someone who held a very controversial view of the human race. He once said that the human being is unequal and never will be. You can watch that excerpt of his speech in the video below. It’s from 0:14 to 0.35.

He echoed this sentiment again in 1997 when he said this:

“I started off believing all men were equal.

I now know that’s the most unlikely thing ever to have been, because millions of years have passed over evolution, people have scattered across the face of this earth, been isolated from each other, developed independently, had different intermixtures between races, peoples, climates, soils…

I didn’t start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I’ve come to.” – as quoted in his book ‘Lee Kuan Yew: The Man and His Ideas’

Yet, even if this was so, he believed in people:

“If I tell Singaporeans – we are all equal regardless of race, language, religion, culture. Then they will say,”Look, I’m doing poorly. You are responsible.”

But I can show that from British times, certain groups have always done poorly, in mathematics and in science.

But I’m not God, I can’t change you. But I can encourage you, give you extra help to make you do, say maybe, 20% better.” – Lee Kuan Yew, Success stories DVD

 

LKY cared a lot more about survival than he did about race

As mentioned earlier, Lee Kuan Yew held race in high regard. In his book that we mentioned earlier, ‘My Lifelong Challenge: Singapore’s Bilingual Journey’, he talks about how he was once, in our words, a Banana and had to work towards reclaiming his Chinese roots.

But to Lee Kuan Yew, there was something else of bigger importance: the survival of Singapore. And he was willing to give up anything to achieve that, even race (he did close down vernacular schools after all). All along, his wasn’t the issue of unity, but the issue of survival.

“What are our priorities? First, the welfare, the survival of the people. Then, democratic norms and processes which from time to time we have to suspend.”- Lee Kuan Yew during a National Day rally in 1986

 

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Lee Kuan Yew built a nation from it’s only natural resource – its people

We have been separated from Singapore for half a century now. And though we gun them down for being kiasu, threaten to cut their water supply, and even argue with them about who made what dish first, there’s no doubt that we can learn a thing or two from the very man who built the foundation of this thriving country that started with so much less than us.

Sure, Lee Kuan Yew wasn’t perfect (and Singapore isn’t perfect either), but he understood the need to prioritise what was necessary for the country to move forward, and sometimes, that might lead to decisions that not everyone will like. Like it or not, his methods have made Singapore one of the most envied countries in the world.

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Photo credit to www.lawgazette.com.sg

And maybe, that’s something we as Malaysians need to learn… To know which differences we need to put aside in order for our country and its people to move forward.

262 Comments

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  2. Azrin Awang Ali

    02/04/2015 at 2:53 pm

    all of malaysia ministers and leaders cannot be compared to honorable MR Lee….they all are too sick building their own wealth by ‘songlap’ peoples money

  3. Chak Onn Lau

    25/03/2015 at 12:09 pm

    @mistergodiva:disqus please watch your language here, or we’ll ban you. Racist slurs have no place on our site, and we find you generally offensive

  4. mikeydtan

    23/03/2015 at 5:31 pm

    Ok, to be honest hear a number of people mention malays were marginalized, hes a snake etc … i really like to learn what these folks recommend to do differently if they were the PM so such things are “corrected” … please, just want to hear his detractors speak to learn something. Hope others who feel differently just let them say their peace, ok lets listen … TQ

  5. Sobri Sobri

    22/03/2015 at 7:35 am

    There are always two sides to the coin. Read ‘The Singapore Dilemma ‘ by Lily Zubaidah Rahim. Then her other book: Singapore in the Malay World. Speak to Malays in Singapore. Do you know that it is mandated by law that minority races would always be minority residents in ALL constituencies?
    But all in all, weighing his positive contributions against the negatives, he still comes up top. For that we have to give him credit. Indeed he is a great leader.
    Tengku gave a copy of his book ‘On Looking Back’ to LKY. He signed it with a quote: To ………. for working hard for Malaysia, and working harder to destroy it. (my apologies if it is not exactly accurate).

  6. mikeydtan

    20/03/2015 at 11:23 am

    Jo – actually not to argue but all the menial jobs seems to be taken by migrant Chinese from China or Vietnamese. No one likes having to import cheap labor but seems not many locals want to do the low end jobs. Even cab drivers are retirees and pensioners. I do have friends in Spore and i do talk to strangers while there so no i dont have to take what i hear on this forum wholesale. SBS bus drivers earned 3K SGD some 20 years ago when i was staying there … so menial sounding jobs doesnt always mean poorly compensated. I dont know for a fact if there is a conspiracy to promote one race over another in Singapore, what i experienced is that there is no chinese identity in singapore. People are FORCED by the governement to mix. Example: there is race quotas for each HDB estate just to ensure racial diversity. Did you know that? Does this sound like discrimination on balance of probabilities? Most singaporeans hate the SG government for forcing them to live in a nanny state. Nothing to do with race. my OPINION as mention earlier is that if there is one place there is some measure of discrimination is lack of Malays in the armed forces for “national security reaons”. There are more malays in the police force and most in the bomba there. I didnt say i agree with this reasonning but it seems at least rooted in other than perseived race superiority or opposite. Just explaining for the benefit of those who might be persuaded by certain things mentioned as “facts” here which may noy be true generally. I have malay friends, quite a number acquaintances and i can say none of them are bad persons. I have many times had malay motorists stop to help when having car trouble. So i despair when certain folks may tar opinion of others towards these good people with their poisons just by association. Just my two sen. Not insisting i am right and all … just share my experiene. I respect your experience may be very different and while not saying you are wrong, i like to present to you an alternate reality. P.S. you really should get out of the airports more. At KLCC and Subang and KLIA 1 and 2, i do see Malay cleaners too, are you also saying there is clear discrimination against Malays here too?

    • jo Endan

      12/07/2015 at 8:27 am

      LKY was smart at destroying Malays and Indians and uplifting the Chinese! That is why the minorities in all the constituencies! This is to ensure that the Chinese rules in all the constituencies! Malays who are representatives are ‘given the chance’ by the emperor!

  7. Ben

    20/03/2015 at 11:21 am

    The grave calling, just pack up and go

  8. WFC

    20/03/2015 at 7:39 am

    Here is a man driven by a vision for a little island which today stands out as an iconic achievement of persistence, belief and plenty of hard work. A man of whom the West had to acknowledge as tough and as single minded as they could produce. Idealistic worshipers of democracy without conditions may brand him a dictator but indeed a benevolent dictator with a heard for a nation that has nothing to offer to the world then. Those citizens of the island who swore at him will live to realize that without his vision, they will probably roam the region to sell their only assets created by the Creator! Indeed a great mind, if not one of the greatest mind of the last century!

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 2:13 am

      You must be the small man from a small nation who thinks that small is big whereas others who are big from a big nation think that great is small!

  9. opls

    19/03/2015 at 8:57 pm

    Well, all the points you mentioned above which we have to learn in order to become better as a nation, sadly, will never be learnt. Because the moment we started to learn those points, the biggest, most corrupted party of malaysia will be “dethroned”, and these “kings” in order to preserve their seats, will chose not to learn any of the points mentioned above, even at the expense of the nation’s development.

  10. admiral zheng

    19/03/2015 at 8:43 pm

    According to Malaysian and Brunei Muslims unity of race is not important to develop a modern country of the 22nd century. Only Islam and the Arab matters to achieve developed status that could be an envy even to those developed nations.

    So with the Hudud in place Kuffars of Malaysia are in for a ride of their lives. You will see Malaysia pitching its flag in far away planets and sending missions to the deepest oceans. Your universities are going to make Oxford, Harvard etc look like primary schools and many more great thing in store. Islam has the power to do so.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:11 pm

      Jangan serang balai polis pakai parang! Masih jauh lagi nak sampai tahap yang awak cakap! Orang Islam kena menimba ilmu dahulu dalam masa 100 tahun kehadapan ini!

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 8:16 am

      BY????

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 9:16 am

      Don’t understand Malay? There was a group many years ago who attacked a police station weilding parangs to form a new Islamic nation that would be expanded up to China! Ha ha ha….

    • norfolkinwhey

      20/03/2015 at 1:14 pm

      That’s cruel jo Endan. Those people were tricked into believing that they had kuasa ajaib. And they paid for their folly with their lives. You shouldn’t make fum of misguided souls.

    • WFC

      01/04/2015 at 8:38 am

      May be we all wait for 2525!

  11. betterman

    19/03/2015 at 8:41 pm

    No doubt LKY is genius.He is likes many successful Chinese tycoon who start from rags to make what Singapore is today.Unfortunately our Mamak and his chosen leaders did the other way round making Malaysia on the brink of bankruptcy.Being ignorant and refuse to accept facts is disastrous to our country.When policy is correctly implemented everything will go well.If stains policy is implemented every things will go wrong affect the country and the rakyat.To save Malaysia the present failed policy need to replace and cannot be ignorant and must face the reality.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 11:34 pm

      Singapore’s public debt is 111% of GDP and private debt > 1 trillion USD ( CIA world factbook)

  12. kelly adams

    19/03/2015 at 6:21 pm

    People who suffered under his rein and that of the his successors will tell you what sort of man is/was he. They would only pray that he continue to be in the life support system for the rest of his life dying slowly and painfully. They wish that God may not give him the swift death as he so desired. He needs to feel the pain he inflicted on others due to his sheer arrogance of power. He did not only punish his political nemeses but also those individuals who were politically neutral. Using his criminal intelligence unit he ruined many people’s life and destroyed the families of many of them. He has helped create a pool of like-minded chauvinistic idiots who think they are of superior race and they can rule the region as/by proxies. He will go down in history as the man who enriched the Straits Chinese at the expense of the Muslims/Malays by misusing the Indians to achieve his nasty design. The time will come to critically review his dirty policies and to rewrite his side of the story. Many of those who were affected by his rule will also pray that those bastards who destroyed their lives will go through even much more painful death in due course of time. People in the region must be extremely cautious in dealing with this his lieutenants who are craving for more actions.

    • norfolkinwhey

      20/03/2015 at 12:33 am

      Kelly Adams, LKY is a cruel man. Granted. Wish him ill if you must. That is your god given right. But do not for one second make it out as if he is the only villain that exists in history. Show me a nation who does not, in its populance have people who were adversely affected in their nations growth. Ask anyone. Everyone has been given a raw deal. You want to know the difference? LKY has treated his people badly, but he has given back more than he has taken. Look at other nations who have had despotic leaders. How are they fairing now?

  13. jo Endan

    19/03/2015 at 5:30 pm

    For LKY, it’s not enough that the Chinese are rich! The Malays must be poor!

    • norfolkinwhey

      20/03/2015 at 12:26 am

      Don’t you know? That’s his life mission. Check out his diary. He’s penned it in as the first thing to do every morning, right after brushing his teeth.

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 2:15 am

      Ha ha … very sarcastic! But it’s OK! Nice……!

    • Atol

      20/03/2015 at 1:30 pm

      You need a brain doctor.

  14. Chak Onn Lau

    19/03/2015 at 5:29 pm

    WAHWAHWAH… chillax people. Opinions are like farts. Everyone has em, and they all stink except your own

  15. Mohamad Abdul Malik

    19/03/2015 at 3:18 pm

    Of course he does not let race be a hindrance from ‘uniting’ Singapore; as long as the Chinese were and remained the majority in Singapore. The moment their majority were threatened by migration, and low birth rates, he saw it fit to import people from the PRC to beef up the Chinese population. We should also say and called it a “spade a spade” as he was so fond of saying. It applies both ways. Of course I am not belittling his contributions to his country; which I think was enormous, but we should also not be throughly blinded to the extent that we failed to see his may faults and hypocrisy.

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 5:10 pm

      Very true. How dare he have a project ic of his own? He shouldn’t be encouraging rich people to settle in his country. Better bring unskilled laborers and give them bumiputera status. THAT would show the chinese. Let these new comers enjoy the privileges reserved for the original settlers. The pie is big enough for everyone, after all, isn’t it? That’s right, see how the Chinese will suffer, being deprived of the privileges they were never afforded in the first place.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:22 pm

      Excellent comments! PRC not about Singapore only! Hoping Pakatan would win GE13 and referendum called for return of Singapore to Malaysia with massive Chinese voters and contituencies! However, he will not last to see Singapore back into Malaysia with LGE or LHL becoming PM.

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 2:17 am

      East Asians are the SMARTEST!

  16. emmet

    19/03/2015 at 2:12 pm

    He will be remembered as the man who brought GST to Sinkapo …

  17. [email protected]

    19/03/2015 at 1:42 pm

    Bull shit it was LKW politics only. The rest is so simple for LKW as he knows all Chinese will support him. He only created the little red dot. Anything can happen in that little red dot. Those who are not ready to die for the little red dot find a new place to live in this world. There are so many other war lords in the world that are also interested in the little red dot.

  18. Mister Godiva

    19/03/2015 at 12:59 pm

    i’ve stayed in singapore long enough to form an opinion. sorry , but i’d rather live in BOLEHLAND anyday.

    • norfolkinwhey

      20/03/2015 at 12:23 am

      Something tells me the singaporeans are not weeping at the loss of you.

  19. Mister Godiva

    19/03/2015 at 12:53 pm

    If singapore is so great then why do the kiasu chinese there keep coming to Malaysia and buy property in Johor just to settle there??? go stay in your own lands, chinese immigrants.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:26 pm

      Not all mah? LKY East asians have the highest IQ in the world!

  20. Mister Godiva

    19/03/2015 at 12:51 pm

    he initiated the separation of Temasek which was part of the Malay archipelago and renamed it singapore and developed it into a country that only benefitted and ruled exclusively by the chinese. he made the indigenious Malays pariahs in their own lands. this is why no matter how bad umno is, malays shall not allow chinese to takeover our country. the biggest mistake chinese make is to think that ALL Malays are stupid.

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 2:23 am

      True what! MM ==> Malays are stupid! Slightly higher IQ than blacks in US! What a rude remark by LKY who is not an expert in DNA and traits!

  21. Nanook

    19/03/2015 at 12:44 pm

    Basically, LKY ensured that all Singaporeans had a common language in English and made sure everyone studied in a single school system. You do that in Malaysia and everyone would be shouting racist till no end.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 4:53 pm

      yes because Chinese dont belong here. what china not big enough for you?

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 11:41 pm

      yup, china not big enough for chinese. but for you, malaysia is already too big, so we dun see ppl like you outside malaysia surviving without spoonfeeding.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:33 pm

      Nonok….ah sorry? Mandarin lah!

  22. Hizzad Bin Dinno

    19/03/2015 at 12:29 pm

    Please, “Stahp”! This Malaysia-vs-Singapore mentality will one day become a moot point. If you take peek at ASEAN’s future plans for the SEA region – its one of economic, cultural and (eventually) political integration. One day, there might just be an “ASEAN Federation”… so fighting over this now is well… pointless – politically and economically. Future politicians will probably have to figure out how to win over voters across, what was traditionally known as national borders. They won’t be able to do this if they can’t appeal to all the various races and creeds with their innumerable problems and interests if they can’t even put aside their biases, misconceptions and bigotry.

    Besides… there are so many Banglas here. So many, funny smelling, weird Banglas… also, so many Africans (South African, Nigerian, Sudanese) have immigrated here (they keep asking for watermelons, why watermelons? I don’t get it…), the Arab pop-pulation is also exploding (hahahahaha! what is with Arabs and explosives?) and the number of whites are also increasing (perhaps expats are trying escape the Eurozone furor).

    All I know is: we are going to have some new problems to deal with. So we better settle the old problems, pronto, ese’.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:56 pm

      sorry, your ideas dont hold water. Singapore (temasek) belonged to the malays but was hended over to the Chinese by the colonialist british. we will never acknowledge the chinese as being the rightful owners of the land of Temasek.

    • Hizzad Bin Dinno

      19/03/2015 at 3:01 pm

      Not my idea, ASEAN’s idea. Doesn’t hold water? Badawi signed the accord already (2006 in Bali, if I’m not mistaken) so I guess he’s ok with the idea; I know Nazir Razak (current PM’s brother) LOVES the idea of a unified ASEAN cause he formed the ASEAN Business Club, an association of elite corporate ASEAN movers and shakers who also love the potential profits that a unified economy will bring. Well, what I’m trying to say is that it holds water for a lot of rich, powerful and well-connected people.

      Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. It’s hard to look at the complete picture – so many variables… just don’t hold too tightly to an ideology/belief/value because… change is inevitable, it’s the only constant.

      Singapore was Tunku Abdul Rahman’s idea in my mind. Do you not think that I do not realize the gravity of losing Temasek? It “is” a strategic trading located in the middle of several important global trade routes, it could have been Malaysia’s “New York City”. We should have fought a war to keep that island but we didn’t, we let it go and now its too late, bro, too late… so… where do we go from here? That’s a better question to ask or argue.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 4:48 pm

      we all know that UMNO is ruled by idiots. dont you?

    • Hizzad Bin Dinno

      19/03/2015 at 5:31 pm

      Possessive of a PERKASA mindset; yet not an UMNO supporter? Honestly, I can’t recommend that lifestyle here…

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 10:23 pm

      well, unfortunately for you, the ppl of temasek doesnt need your acknowledgment as they are responsible for temasek’s success or failure.

    • razordave

      19/03/2015 at 11:29 pm

      just like sabahans and sarawakians will never acknowledge your pig breed as ‘owners’ of their nation

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 11:45 pm

      Its a pity then that you were not around to defend temasek back then. What a terrible fate they are suffering now.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:58 pm

      regardless who or what the banglas and africans coming here are doing ( you racist , much?) lets not forget the chinese will always remain as pendatangs.

    • Hizzad Bin Dinno

      19/03/2015 at 2:23 pm

      I enjoy racism in moderate or humorous amounts, yes, especially with a glass of whiskey in one hand.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 2:36 pm

      yes like the way the racist chinese in China oppress the ethnic Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province which was their ancestral homeland. or not to forget how the chinese treat malays in Singapore , and how they depict malays as lazy in their singapore museum. yeah, i think racism is more prevalent in the yellow skin nation.

    • Hizzad Bin Dinno

      19/03/2015 at 3:14 pm

      You need to get a chinese girlfriend, bro.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 4:52 pm

      no thanks , cant stomach pig eaters.

    • Hizzad Bin Dinno

      19/03/2015 at 5:37 pm

      Too bad. They’re really cute.

    • Ashes

      19/03/2015 at 2:09 pm

      Ditto! You raised a very valid and concerning point!

  23. tokgurau

    19/03/2015 at 12:14 pm

    Good or bad about LKY, our Singaporean neighbour can still drink clean water directly from their tap. We in Malaysia, have to buy Drinking Water or Mineral Water everyday even if we have water coming out from our tap. I don’t see people buying water from the Water Dispenser in any public area in Singapore.
    Penat tau, tiap tiap kita hari kena beratur untuk beli air dari Water Dispenser kat Maluri. Kena belanja wang lagi macam” Air” .. susah lah.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:58 pm

      dont make up wild stories, kiasu. our water here is clean just fine.

    • tokgurau

      19/03/2015 at 1:36 pm

      Our water is clean because you invested Ringgit$ in Water Filter for your home. You dare admit the truth that you drink water straight from your tap without boiling it? I am not Kiasu .. I takut sakit perut lah .. nanti berak berak .. takde duit nak jumpa doctor. You fill your water bottle in the fridge directly from your tap even if you don’t have water filter? Don’t bohong ok … Tell the truth and shame the DEVIL.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 2:13 pm

      takde siapa bohong except you. our filtered water is fine , we all hidup selesa sini, its only your country that doesnt have water, you have to buy from us. you dont realise we are sending the dirty water to you to filter yourself. donnt try to be a spawn of satan, ultra kiasu.

    • tokgurau

      19/03/2015 at 3:30 pm

      Hello, what I am asking is, do you drink your water directly from your tap without boiling them or filter them before you drink it?
      Of course our Malaysian water is clean but is it clean and safe enough to drink directly from our tap? All my neighbours and friends in Maluri and other areas, buy bottled drinking water. You faham ke tak faham? .. ultra bodoh lah awak ini.
      Ok lah tak nak layan sama awak lagi.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 4:54 pm

      i can drink from my tap just fine, ultra kiasupukimark.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 11:43 pm

      you can drink from your tap, but you CHOSE not to right? smart alek playing with words.

    • tokgurau

      20/03/2015 at 12:43 am

      Oh you can drink from your ultra kiasupukimark tap and that is just fine for you.
      Awak betul punya anjing lah.
      No wonder your mulut bau busuk macam kencing from your ultra kiasupukimark tap ..hahaha.
      You better wash your mouth with CLOROX before I report you to the Police. You are ignored 4ever. The End.

    • tokgurau

      20/03/2015 at 7:42 pm

      Hey ultra kiasupukimark, you drink urine direct from your ultra kiasupukimark’s tap lah

    • jo Endan

      12/07/2015 at 8:39 am

      Tokgurau, I have a small Panasonic filter in my kitchen and I make ice from the clean water! Otherwise I will boil the water first before drinking. We all do the same thing at my son’s home in U.S.

  24. sherry

    19/03/2015 at 11:56 am

    Not only is he a Great Leader but a Great Statesman too. R E S P E C T has to be earned not a given. He has all my worthy-of-respect. He earned it thru tremendous efforts and sacrifices, making what Singapore is today. Knowing certain actions/decisions were not popular yet he has the courage (supported by intelligence, research and foresight) to implement them for the sake of its people and its nation, Singapore

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:04 pm

      East Asians are the smartest! Malays…the most stupid!

  25. idrus adam

    19/03/2015 at 10:49 am

    WAAAH!, so many things left out of history from this pro LKY article, please watch “One Nation Under Lee” on youtube if you want to know what REALLY happen. P.S : Singapore still has ISA to suppress anyone who opposes the PAP

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:54 pm

      correct . but kiasu will always be kiasu.

  26. Mister Godiva

    19/03/2015 at 10:27 am

    this guy will be answerable to the Almighty in the afterlife, for dividing a nation and marginalising the indigenous population of a country and favouring the immigrants such as himself and giving them better opportunities.

    • Adib Rahman

      19/03/2015 at 12:05 pm

      he is soon gone don’t worry ….

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 11:46 pm

      dun blame other people for your incompetency, a spade is a spade, if ppl like you cant succeed, you cant, even if there isnt anyone here to “divide and marginalise”

      if you cant survive without spoonfeeding, you cant. you are spoonfed because you need it, not because there are others who didnt need.

    • jo Endan

      12/07/2015 at 8:44 am

      Everybody spoon feed themselves! Opls <== you makan dengan tangan sahaja?

  27. Grace Pangpek

    19/03/2015 at 10:00 am

    By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest. Wherever you go, go with all your heart. LKY is a wicked man, my dad was put in jail for many years and made him bankruptcy.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 10:21 pm

      urm..what did your old man did?

      i really hoped you didnt blame the judge for jailing your old man from crimes?

  28. Satria TUDM

    19/03/2015 at 9:50 am

    I am sure how LKY had ‘conquered’ Singapore from the Malaysia. In fact that Singapore once was owned by the Johor-Riu empire and there is no such thing that owned by the British. How can all the sudden the British had made such decisions that Singapore is independent country and had their own administration! How can the stupid British had separated Singapore from Johor empire. How can LKY had denied the sovereignty of the Johor Sultanate? By right Singapore is under Johor empire and it will stays that way! I don’t know how Tunku Abdul Rahman had given that Singapore to LKY??? Please check back with the history and put back Singapore to the rightfull owner!!

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:16 pm

      Hiyaaa don’t you know that the Tunku kicked Singapore out and Malaysia was the first country to recognised Singapore in the United Nation. I even attended LKY and Lim Kit Siang’s (LKY’s bag boy) campaign at Kluang basketball court (1964). LKY wanted to be PM of Malaysia ( His mother Indon Peranakan).

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 11:30 pm

      …recognise…

    • Atol

      20/03/2015 at 1:26 pm

      And if he did we would be a world class nation.

    • jo Endan

      12/07/2015 at 8:19 am

      Singapore is a mess! With it’s huge debts! Yes! Top 10 in the World’s most indebted nation! (Work Class!)

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:05 pm

      Apa lah engkau ni!

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 10:26 pm

      hahaha, first you throw the raw, dirty iron ore away…….and after 50 years, the other guy who picked it up and made a lamborghini out it, you want it back……real smart eh?

  29. Mister Godiva

    19/03/2015 at 9:26 am

    this is the mark of a snake and kiasu nation, they were willing to join with Malaysia in order to combat communism, fight the Japanese and then expel the British, but when it came to living together, they refused to live with Malays and be under Malay Rulers. thus the land of Temasek , which had always been under the rule of Melayu Lama, was lost because of a chinese immigrant who wanted more power..

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 9:43 am

      Yes, but see what that greedy snake has achieved. Be proud of your nation, but do not be blind to the misdeeds of your govt. 1 party has been in power for 50+ years. It looks like they have been cheating their own people for many of those years.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 10:43 am

      under the the greedy snake, singapore achieved nationhood but marginalised the indigenous even to the point of mocking them as being lazy. thats what happens when you sell out to immigrants from China.

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 2:23 pm

      Agreed. So its better to be cheated by our own kind than to let foreigners cheat us. Good logic.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 4:52 pm

      yes. because being cheated by another race makes you look stupid and forever subject to ridicule.

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 5:00 pm

      That is where we differ. I would rather not be cheated by anyone. But I suppose that’s your choice to make.

    • James

      19/03/2015 at 5:27 pm

      Hey, even the Singapore Malay look down on people like you la. My Malay Singapore friend just like to stay in Malaysia, but not being a Malaysian, got the message?

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:23 pm

      hahahahaha, so being cheated by your OWN race makes you look like Albert Einstein and forever subject to racial honor? hahahaha

    • razordave

      19/03/2015 at 10:01 pm

      ‘cheated’.. the excuses just keep coming. normal la for your type. one thousand and one excuses for your personal failures

    • James

      19/03/2015 at 5:30 pm

      The history book actually proven that you nenek moyang from Yunnan,,,,southern china!!

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:22 pm

      well, under the “non greedy” snake, malasysia couldnt achieve nationhood success, but marginalized the indigenous by failing to lift them for 50 years, to the point of saying they still need another 50 years of “lifting”. That’s is what happens when you are sold out by your own brethren. Or for your case, that is what happens when you sold out your brethren.

    • Atol

      19/03/2015 at 9:48 am

      Wow you are full of your

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 10:42 am

      and your a BIG A-hol, Atol. Lol….

    • Atol

      19/03/2015 at 9:51 am

      Well….it was eithet the indon immigrants or the chinese….I guess the indons got the bigger portion.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:55 pm

      indons are immigrants only under international law today. but in the old days, they were part of the Malays and the Malay archipelago. Chinese on the other hand are pure immigrants and foreign to the Malay peninsula, they dont belong here.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:17 pm

      haha, pls, call a spade a spade, immigrants IS immigrants, no matter how you phrase it.

      if you want to be spoonfed by birthright, ask for it directly, no need to beat around the bush, citing words like immigrants, pure or not pure immigrants (whats the diff actually)..ultimately what you want is to enjoy the same success, drive the same Lamborghini, stay in the same bungalow…but without having to work for any of it like singaporeans do in the land of temasek.

    • Atol

      19/03/2015 at 9:38 pm

      Wrong again the true natives to malaysia are the orang asli….not the fake malay bumiputras….it all depends on who inteprets history. I for one dont recognise the malays as the people of this land.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 10:29 pm

      You can’t deny facts, science and the truth! They recently found dinosaur teeth in Pahang. The Sunda plate (continent) is even bigger than China. There are elephants in Sarawak. Sundanese/Malays were here, then and later! Toba eruption explains all this!

    • Atol

      20/03/2015 at 1:22 pm

      Did u see that on the National Geographic Malaysia …..sponsored by BN?

    • razordave

      19/03/2015 at 9:59 pm

      true. but after migrating from indonesia for i dare centuries, the place was still a fragmented backward jungle. i read my school history books and looked around but couldn’t see anything that stood the test of time. do let me know if you recall anything. but i know it was the chinese who built the towns, started business and commerce, built up the economy, fought the japanese and basically contributed the most to developing the country’s economy at the time of independence. but of course all their contributions and sacrifice disregarded by your guys. it’s called ‘flipping’ the rice bowl.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:33 pm

      Atol ! This is the Sunda plate…..even the mainland Chinese originated from this place!

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 8:14 am

      This your version of history! Ha! Ha!Ha!

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 9:25 am

      It’s not my version! United Nation recognises Gauteng, South Africa as the cradle of humankind and homonids (first human specie) had migrated from there to various parts of the world. Sunda was a large Continent inhabited by people who came from the Indian Continent. Toba eruption caused the Ice age and migration of people to the north….etc etc.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:12 pm

      well, maybe, but in 1 particular island where the chinese got the bigger portion, look what was achieved, as compare to the other.

    • gtraj

      19/03/2015 at 7:28 pm

      who said refused to live with the malays and be under Malay Rulers. get yiur facts right

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:11 pm

      oh, cannot compete, no capability to compete fairly (like singapore), then try to mask your impotency by saying you are born with the right to survive with impotency.

      if a snake and kiasu nation can achieve so much success with no natural resources, then “your” nation is not worthy to be even call a snake, perhaps a parasite? as for kiasu, they fought hard for those “kiasu” success, while you slack and demand those “kiasu” success using birthright and race, who should be more ashamed?

      the land of temasek, which ppl like you thought couldnt survive as ppl like you dont believe in working hard for rewards, believed that the ppl of temasek will slack and demand spoonfeeding and thus will die eventually…..but to your horror, they didnt slack, under one chinese immigrant, they worked their socks off and never did they think of demanding spoonfeeding as their birthright, managed to achieve the current success, in less than 50 years. While in the same time frame, you still wouldnt give up on being spoonfed and instead wanted to be spoonfed even more.

      the land wasnt lost, it was thrown out with bad judgement.

    • razordave

      19/03/2015 at 9:52 pm

      oh, refused to be ruled by malays? … aaaaannd let’s take a look at what life is like after decades of being ruled by umno. ssshhhh….. senyap, mr godiva. you are embarrassing yourself

  30. Hema Shree

    19/03/2015 at 9:25 am

    My idol…. I’ve always thought that if he led Malaysia and Singapore, Malaysia would have reached Mars as he has the flair of bringing out the best in people and make them come together for a cause.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 10:16 am

      They are in terrible debts! Indigenous Chinese now become Malays in 70s because of ‘lack of talents!’ Their CPF monies were used to enrich the talented and poerful! Those who progressed were the rich business men, PAP politicians, foreigners, It’s all about MERITOCRACY … for the superior and the wealthy!

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 10:44 am

      Chinese will never become Malay. dont be stupid.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:45 pm

      New Poor and stupid! As said by MM ==> not as talented! ha ha…..

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 10:26 am

      you can go fly kites if you think we malays would let a chinaman lead our country. we’d rather be backwards in our way of life than sell our souls to an immigrant leader.

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 2:27 pm

      Hahahaha and so you are.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 11:47 pm

      then sit back and accept your backwards in your way of life and stop crying for spoonfeeding.

    • Atol

      20/03/2015 at 3:56 pm

      And thats where you will stay. As for the rest of Malays that want to be proud and successfull race, please do not learn from this fellor and compete on equal grounds to earn your place in humanity.
      I have seen many malays that have outdone europeans and other races overseas. They can hold their head high and know that they got there by their own merit.
      In malaysia, the other races will look at you and see a crony if you are rich. Without your cructches you would not have gotten where you are in malaysia. You might have done it on your own, but how can the non bumis or the world if they watching tell the difference.

    • idrus adam

      19/03/2015 at 12:04 pm

      Reached MARS!, WAAAAAAAAH so terer meh!, I’m sure if he led both countries they would have BILLION dollar salaries compared to the MILLION dollar salaries they now earn (guess where they money is coming from?). As for “bringing the best out of people”, HIYA! Malaysia is known as BOLEHLAND and Singapore is known as KIASULAND (is being kiasu bringing the best or the worst out of people?)

    • Atol

      20/03/2015 at 4:07 pm

      Kiasu means a survivor, boleh means parasitic.

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 2:29 am

      Who’s smarter? Who enjoys more? ha ha……,

    • ozlandy

      19/03/2015 at 2:39 pm

      imagine if LKY had led singapore and malaysia OUT of malaysia!!. to those who enjoy condemning the greatest man in south east asia especially in his old age, remember their evil and toxic minds will be reciprocated in a schedule set by their creator from which there is no escape.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:21 pm

      I was involved in the Mars mission simulation at North Carolina State University when I did my PhD! Nothing doing with any richest Chinese despot Emperor ever!

  31. Mister Godiva

    19/03/2015 at 9:16 am

    we know why he wanted to separate singapore. he refused to be subservient to the malays.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:41 pm

      They got kicked out!….not separate!

  32. WTF

    19/03/2015 at 8:57 am

    the leader that went into uncharted path. Noone can parallel him before this and not likely in the near future. He earned his respect! Great leader!

    • boboiboy

      19/03/2015 at 9:05 am

      “…separation hurt Lee Kuan Yew deeply. So deeply that he cried when
      announcing it.” bullshit. he cried because his dream to become Malaysia
      prime Minister destroyed. The malays there marginalised in their own
      country. He is nothing in Singapore malays’ heart.

    • daveyboy

      19/03/2015 at 9:17 am

      and you base your hatred and bigorty on what? official umno party line? moron

    • Grace Pangpek

      19/03/2015 at 9:45 am

      You’re the real Moron, stupor!

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:07 pm

      CIA World Factbook on Debts of nations!

    • lilysilva

      19/03/2015 at 9:47 am

      In fact, Singapore malays are very proud of being Singporean as they are widely respected worldwide when traveling without visa restriction to US and Canada. Do you think they want to be Malaysian Malay?

    • Grace Pangpek

      19/03/2015 at 9:52 am

      Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop.

    • idrus adam

      19/03/2015 at 10:54 am

      SillySilva, you Singaporean Malay?

    • lilysilva

      19/03/2015 at 11:44 am

      My Singapore malay freinds are and they are proud of holding Singapore passport and they earn Singapore dollar which is 1SGD=2.66 RM nearly 3 times more than our money

    • idrus adam

      19/03/2015 at 11:58 am

      And the cost of living in Singapore?, did you take that into account? how about owning a car? (I seriously doubt you can afford one in that particular country), don’t judge a country by its currency value. Do you think you are able to work in Singapore? (very HARD WORK)

    • Ashes

      19/03/2015 at 12:14 pm

      i’m a Malaysian, and i work in Singapore. I don’t find it hard working here compared to when i was working in KL. Hard work is all you need. No pain no gain. You don’t expect money to fall from the skies while you shake your leg. Wake up! Don’t be afraid of working hard if you want success. Change your kampung mentality!!

      As for transportation, firstly who needs a car when you have tip-top public transportation? Compare ours and theirs. And FYI, i managed to get my own car here after working for 5 years. Again…it’s all HARD WORK!

      Now to the topic of currency value, Singaporeans have a better quality of life. I can cross over to JB and shop like a king. SGD10 can buy me a 2kg Milo pack, can RM10 get you a 1kg Milo pack? It helps to make my cost of living SO MUCH MORE CHEAPER!! With a stronger currency value, i can have my holidays overseas without feeling the pinch. Can you?

      Come Idrus, don’t be a sour grape. It’s so obvious Singapore is way ahead of Malaysia. Face the facts, and learn to progress.

    • lilysilva

      19/03/2015 at 1:44 pm

      well said hard working Malaysian Singapore PR?

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 8:41 pm

      Very nice argument! I agree to most of it because you are a Malaysian! My son works for Apple in Cupertino! Even better! He got USD 90,000 worth of free shares! But if you look at Singaporean….22% Income tax, 15% CPF 15% employers contribution ==> cannot be taken in one go upon retirement and maybe will not be realise

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 8:05 am

      What is so great with ONLY us90 K? and at Apple??

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:43 am

      I was responding to Ashes! Not you!….and it’s now 1.5k

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:43 am

      150k

    • Ashes

      20/03/2015 at 9:08 am

      Jo Endan, my comment was for Idrus, and i’m doing MY vs SG. In your son’s cases it’s SG vs USA. For all who is in the right mind would definitely pick the better option (if the opportunity arises). Would he leave SG for MY? hmmm….

      Anyway, i’m not Singaporean and i wouldn’t understand your pain. Thus, i’m not here to rebut your arguments.

      I’m just giving my opinion to Idrus, and relating what i experienced in both countries to debate his points.

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:45 am

      Any Singapore company as great as Apple?

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:51 pm

      well, they cant, they refuse to, if they had wanted to “learn” to progress, they would have gotten away with the spoonfeeding, but no, want to be “given” progress.

    • cids79

      19/03/2015 at 11:58 pm

      wooo 5 year to get a car. lucky i get within 3 month.

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 8:02 am

      I would n’t need a car! I can move around with their public transport!

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:52 pm

      yes only for the money.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:49 pm

      yup, what else? all those special rights, bumi status, pendatang whining, all are for money, if special rights means working double hours but half pay, would ppl like you cry special rights day and night?

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:06 pm

      You are really stupid thinking that a highly rated currency is good! Singapore is a high debt nation (Public Debt 111% of GDP and Private Debt > 1.1 trillion USD – CIA World Factbook) with a AAA currency rating. Any downgrade of currency will render Singaporean incapable of paying debts. Singapore had been colonised a second time!

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:47 pm

      hahahaha, wow, so can you pls ask the malaysian gov to achieve the AAA currency rating so that we can suffer the same fate as Singapore?

      who is the stupid one here? you think you want to have a AAA rating you can get one instantly without hardwork? Singapore got her AAA rating because she could and qualify to, not because to enable her to pay debts. likewise, malaysia couldnt get AAA or anywhere close because she doesnt qualify, though she still is incapable of paying her debts. hahaha

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 10:43 pm

      Malaysian ringgit don’t have to be highly rated! We live well and that is why my son left Singapore to breath more air and to have more space! Ha ha! Wait till you retire! I will retire for the second time debt free with a few million RM!

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:52 am

      … breathe…

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 11:03 pm

      You don’t get the high ratings! They give it to you because they know what they’re doing! Ha ha! You must be very smart like all other Chinese DAP/PAP who are dogs! We Malays are cats! I rather be a pirate then join the navy!

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 11:22 pm

      Ha ha… you’re laughing bcos you don’t think hard! I am sure your PM is worried about this! Remember what they did to Japan after dizzying President Bush by changing PMs? A currency downgrade that put Japan into recession untill now!

    • lilysilva

      19/03/2015 at 11:35 pm

      jo Endan is super stupid. Singapore gross debt position seems high but is different from other countries because her debt is not spent but invested. She operates on a balanced budget, and have a unique Protection of Reserves Framework that allows Government to spend only on the RESERVES NOT USING PEOPLE’S OR KWSP like Malaysia. All proceeds from the issuance of securities are invested, and this means that debt is fully backed by assets. Singapore is amongst the few countries in the world in a NET ASSET position, with a strong balance sheet with financial assets far exceeding LIABILITIES.
      Singapore secures consistent “AAA” sovereign ratings from international rating agencies such as Standard & Poors, Fitch and Moody’s. Rating agencies have cited Singapore’s robust public finances and economic resiliency as reasons for maintaining our “AAA” rating. This differentiates her from other high debt nations.Singapore high debts are for WISE investment

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:24 am

      Assets! Your explaination is the same as the one posted by MAS! Let me ask you, ‘What happens if there is a currency downgrade?’

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:50 am

      Genting is already cutting overhead because of slower business! Old man said ==> no gamblings…. over my dead body!

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:33 am

      Your Private Debt is > USD 1 trillion. Your govt, do not have control over this, which can result in spiralling effects if something happens to these assets built from borrowed money!

    • asd

      19/03/2015 at 11:31 am

      LOL

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:51 pm

      dont kid yourself. singapore Malays long to get out of your country and settle in malaysia.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:42 pm

      hahahahaha, you are the joker of all time, even the malaysian malays are getting half-hearted spoonfeeding from the elected, you think the singapore malays would want to come over? for what? to be spoonfed? will those elected spoonfed them?

    • razordave

      19/03/2015 at 10:02 pm

      i am not surprised at all. malaysia, no need work also can get special benefits. is this the way of life for malays, mr godiva? can tell me ah?

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 4:57 pm

      We just host Singaporean Malays 2 months ago. LKY is not admired by many including indegineous Singaporean Chinese who felt cheated by the govt who holds their CPF in 4 trenches after retirement! Only the DAP/PAP supporters admire him!

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:40 pm

      then the ppl you hosted are just like your “kind” of ppl. blaming LKY for the problems you faced currently when he is the EX-pm decades ago.

      birds of the same feathers flown together.

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:10 am

      All Singsporean family members had migrated to Malaysia after the ‘Bunkers of Bombs placement in Malay Kampongs!’

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:27 pm

      You are not a Malay! Don’t talk if you don’t know….makes you look ….so so stupid!

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:18 am

      Indian Singaporean had thorough check by American Immigration because they thought that all Singaporeans are Chinese! Ha ha….can’t blame the officer!

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 9:49 am

      He aligned a drain across my atuk Malay house and made him pay for it. He put bunkers filled with bombs for Vietnam around Malay house. Fired my friend’s grandpa from police force because he had no qualification whereas Chinese with no qualification was retained just about 1969 riot. Look how poor Malays are in Singapore(BBC). Household income < 1/2 average Singaporean!

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 10:12 am

      Jo, did he fly his wife to USA for a holiday and make you pay for it?

    • Chak Onn Lau

      19/03/2015 at 10:26 am

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

    • lilysilva

      19/03/2015 at 10:36 am

      pay for every single trip with brand new aircraft with tip top refurbishment

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 5:55 pm

      I paid for my Chinese wife’s flight to USA! Of course Singapore tax payers did not pay for it eventhough they got much discount from force-take of my late atuk land!

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 10:55 pm

      Poor boy. English understanding not der very gud.

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:00 am

      Ha ha… MM ==> East Asians have the highest IQ that is why Malay’s english is lousy.

    • norfolkinwhey

      20/03/2015 at 12:36 pm

      Your words. Not mine.

    • mikeydtan

      23/03/2015 at 7:00 pm

      strange isnt it … hate that it will come off sounding a bit caustic but im seriously wondering how our friend came away from the US with a PHD on top of everything else … ive help others do PHD research papers before (my ex), they invariably involve writing papers … long ones which shd get published and if in the US, surely in english . NOW im wondering only, but i surely will not suggest he didnt earn it, its just strange …..

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 1:52 am

      My H-index is 7.

    • dumno

      20/03/2015 at 12:01 am

      you have mental problem

    • idrus adam

      19/03/2015 at 10:53 am

      This guy talking about history a long time ago, whereas the two below talking about current issue (DAP??), come lets watch “One Nation Under Lee” on youtube

    • mikeydtan

      19/03/2015 at 12:28 pm

      I studief bahasa melayu in Singapore, no one looked down on me. Im not sure about your experience, i was there myself and trained with both police inspectors, civil defence force officers and fire department officers at OBS … there are plenty of Malays represented. I hear from them if anything, Malays are not assigned to Military so much after the troubles with Indonesia (its a valid reason even if one doesnt agree with it). LKY did say civil liberties may be SUSPENDED at times of crisis. I also have wealthy Malay friends (Alsagoff familiy) … so forgive me if i really dont know what youre saying is applicable today? Not saying LKY and Spore is perfect just not sure its a bad as you put out, Jo Endan, Tq.

      P.S. singapore govt also try to deemphasize chinese dialects for the greater good even tho a lot of local outcry … so they are just doing what they think needs done. there is always two sides to every coin.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 2:14 pm

      must be nice being a malay in singapore laying down your lives to fight indonesia just to protect your kiasu masters.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:37 pm

      well, it sure is nice fighting and laying down your lives to fight the indons to protect the land which recognizes you as Singaporean and not “pendatangs”.

    • mikeydtan

      20/03/2015 at 10:59 am

      Hey guys, lets stop feeding online trolls Jo and opiss. Maybe they would go away
      maybe not but at least ir wont be becos we gave any encouratement.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 7:11 pm

      Article 152 (b) of the Singapore Constitution states the Malays as the indigenous people. How could they be immigrants?

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 1:49 am

      Watch You Tube! MM==> House back to earth!

    • Sobri Sobri

      01/04/2015 at 7:50 am

      I’ve watch that a few times to explain. Obviously you don’t know the background. So what is your point? The Constitution is an aspiration?

      It was included in the Constitution because it was the only way he could persuade the Malay leaders in Singapore at that time to jump ship to PAP. Rahman Kenap, Yaakub Mohammad, amongst them.

      That was why PAP thrashed the Alliance in the 1963 Elections. When the idea of abolishing the free education of the Malays was floated, Yaakub Mohammad wrote to the Berita Harian. Do find out what he wrote. In short, he felt betrayed. I am ameliorating the matter here, not wanting to aggravate the situation.

      Why LKY had to stay in Changi? He had a speed boat ready just in case.
      Find that out. Do you know that the initial conflict was between LKY and Tan Siew Sin of MCA? :LKY wanted PAP to represent the Chinese. But Tengku stuck
      with his loyal ally. Fond out what Tan Siew Sin’s daughter wrote in her letter after LKY’s book was published attacking her father. ( TSS had passed away by
      then.)

      So are the citizens of Singapore treated equally? Find out the aim of the SAP schools from MOE website. Want to know more? Read `The Singapore Dilemma’ and `Singapore in the Malay World’ by Lily Zubaidah Rahim. She is from a privileged Malay family, her uncle being the first and only Malay President and her father an ex-Minister.

      LKY had to do what he had to do, given the precarious situation of the Chinese at that time. Singapore must be an oasis of safety, for not just Singapore Chinese but also for those from the region. I am of mixed blood, and
      that is why I can see from both points of view.

      But in all race-based policies, there will be positive as well as negative discrimination. Only by recognizing this will we be able to move forward. If not the ghost of racism will always be there as an obstacle.

      As for you, do read `A Moment of Anguish’. It is bias on the side of LKY, but generally factual. Read too the above recommended books, as well as on the communist struggle, to balance your view.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 7:32 pm

      Malay household income is less than half the average Singaporeans! Singapore divides the Malays! Alsagoff family is not Malay! Malays are those working in night shifts at the airport – awkward time where no Chinese would want to! ….and the cleaners! ==> open your eyes when you are in transit at Changi! I am sure that the total wealth of the Malays is less than 1%.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:34 pm

      well, did SG gave “special rights” to the chinese? were you a malay, denied a seat in local uni because of race and not merit? IF you also dun want to work night shifts at the airport, no one force you to. You can work the same time shift as the chinese, provided you are willing to get the same pay, same treatment, and pls, dun give the rubbish about getting paid double by doing nothing is your birthright.

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 10:20 pm

      Sorry! I did not study in a local University! My BS, MS and PhD are all from US! I am not a Singaporean! …. but I always see Singapore Changi Airport full of Malays manning the booth at 4.00 am and cleaning the toilets! I guess they are the least intelligent like MM says and therefore could not find other jobs …..East Asians are the most intelligent!

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 10:37 pm

      if you did not study there, you are not a singaporean, and the cleaner you see in changi is ALL you are able to see about singapore, then all you did is like you said – guess.

      and i might have wasted my time responding to your posts about singapore or LKY in particular.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 7:56 am

      LKY is a great leader. As a whole he is more positive than negative. For that I respect him.
      BUT, to deny discrimination against Malays exist, is to be blind to the fact. There are positive discrimination, but the negative ones are more. LKY himself said the Malays could not integrate because of Islam. His own son, the PM distanced himself from that statement.

    • opls

      22/03/2015 at 4:40 pm

      come on Sobri, be honest and fair, LKY did says malays could not intefrate because of Islam, more precisely, the malays are forbidden to eat on the same table with a non-muslim just because the non-muslim is having a pork chop.

      LKY’s intention is to advise muslims to be less strict in a sense to not “over” infer the Quran. Muslims cannot touch and consume pork/alcohol, but that doesnt mean muslims cannot share a table with someone who is consuming pork, as long as the muslim did not touch the pork no matter how close the pork is. Likewise, muslims can have a happy hour with non muslims as long as he/she is drinking a non alcoholic drink, even though his/her friends are having beers.

      LKY’s intention is for the muslims to have more chances to interact socially with non muslims. That might be discrimination, but IMO it certainly isnt a negative one as i am sure the Quran does not state how many meters should the muslims be away from pork/alcohol.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 7:09 pm

      Why was it necessary for LSL to distance himself from that statement? Later LKY said that he `stand corrected’. The interesting thing is that when that statement came out, the ones who were most loud in criticising him were non-Malays / non-Muslims.
      They were the ones who have Malay-Muslim friends and know what the reality is .
      Most Malay-Muslims understood where he was coming from. Look at our hawker centres. Are there any demarcation of tables? Not consuming pork and liquor is a religious requirement. At Tekka Indian-Muslim rojak stall, there is a prominent sign telling Hindus that liver and lung are beef.
      There are also many other more healthy and practical ways to interact socially. Do you feel drinking liquor is good?
      Spending time during pub’s happy hour is positive?
      But Malay- Muslim understand that he does not know Islam well, just as you. To be a good Muslim is NOT just about abstaining from pork and liquor. It is also the duty of the Muslim to respect the laws of the country that allows Islam to be practised without hindrance.
      It is also the duty of a Muslim to develop good relationship with all your neighbours in your community, regardless of their race or faiths.
      Deal with them fairly, and respect their faiths.
      LKY was unhappy because his long time friend refused to share beer with him anymore. But if it is tea with nice dessert, I’m very sure it will not be turned down.
      Does he deserve the respect as a leader? A big YES.

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 1:04 am

      Hey man! I am 63 yrs old now and I was at the Kluang town basketball court when Lee Kuan Yew and Lim Kit Siang spoke to a big pumped-up Malaysian chinese crowd! He wanted to be PM of Malaysia! …I regularly stopped at Changi to continue my flight to LA to visit my son who is now working for Apple in Cuppertino! My atuk’s home was where LKY placed American bombs intended for Vietnam!

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 7:51 am

      We also know the quality of some US universities!

    • mikeydtan

      20/03/2015 at 10:59 am

      Hey guys, lets stop feeding online trolls jo and opiss. Maybe they would go away
      maybe not but at least ir wont be becos we gave any encouratement.

    • dumno

      02/04/2015 at 7:26 am

      both born in kandang khinzir, don’t waste your time for it

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 12:39 am

      ABET quality…. and don’t have to pay so much to rating agencies!

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 1:07 am

      Also where Singapore scholars go!

    • Atol

      20/03/2015 at 10:15 am

      I would just like to say that people like Jo eden are the cancer cells that are spreading in Malaysia. This is the mentality that makes malaysia a soon to be 3rd class rated country in the world.

      You might have a B.s, Mba. , Phd….but alas its wasted on a third rated racist brain. No point there.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 7:50 am

      What do you call SAP schools? Go read some books and talk to Singaporeans themselves, Singaporeans in the know, not ignorant ones like you.
      If you wish we can go into greater details.

    • opls

      22/03/2015 at 4:28 pm

      well i call SAP schools a higher band than the normal ones in differentiating schools. Where the student with the higher capabilities and grades are offered a place, but only on merit, NEVER race nor religion.

      What details do i need?

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 4:38 pm

      How ignorant you are. It is clearly stated that they are set up to preserve Chinese language and culture.
      Have you been to such a school? In addition there are also many non-SAP schools, such as Chung Cheng.
      Do some reading and research.

    • opls

      22/03/2015 at 4:50 pm

      SAP is to preserve chinese lang and culture? So ALL students under SAP study chinese as 2nd lang? no malay? no tamil?

      Sad to say, i couldnt go into a SAP school as my grades doesnt allow me to. And i am pretty sure grades is the ONLY consideration for my rejection, not race nor language.

      IF you were rejected like me, it is due to your grades, dun make race and language as an excuse. If there is some references, can post the link here which clearly states that SAP is to preserve chinese lang and culture, not education.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 4:52 pm

      Go find out the numbers. Also the culture of the schools are intended to be Chinese. Can’t understand that?

    • opls

      22/03/2015 at 5:05 pm

      ok, just sent to MOE website and read it is a fact that SAP’s intent is to strengthen the chinese language and culture.

      Alright Sobri, i offer my apologies for my mistake in regard to SAP’s intent. I really didnt know this until the last 5 mins, and i thought SAP was just another programme to further enrich the students with better grades.

      Alright, on SAP, i have to admit the move was language based. And the non-chinese do have the right to feel discriminated about it.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 6:50 pm

      No opls, it is not just about that. Read the books I recommended to know more. But the Malay Muslims are also practical people. Who can replace PAP at this moment in time, especially when the whole world is in such an unpredictable state?
      The is also no assurance that the opposition would be better.
      The nagging feeling is that in future as it is already now, leaders may be from such schools, living in private estates, and not really have the experience of knowing other races well enough.
      The impression as it is even now, of the Malays, is not positive. I have had my share of such perception. But I was able to put it right. What about those who can’t?
      Obviously the late Rajaratnam’s view of an integrated schools would be a better alternative in nation building.
      But I also understand why the need for SAP schools.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 4:53 pm

      Go to the schools websites and read. You can read right?

    • mikeydtan

      23/03/2015 at 6:05 pm

      Sobri2: In a SAP school, several subjects may be taught in the mother tongue,
      alongside other subjects which are taught in English. Currently SAP
      schools only cater to those studying the Mandarin mother tongue, although theoretically, future SAP schools for other mother tongues are a possibility. SAP schools are usually legacy chinese language only schools from pre-independence. Nothing stops SAP schools from being set up in another mother tongue, Is that reading enough for you? Sry, IMHO you really come across as a highly abrasive individual who only wants to thrash LKY. What would you have done differently then? DO / DONE, actual action plans you wld push for, ok not just particular stuff youre not happy with. Im really curious to know. Hope you reply. TQ,

    • Sobri Sobri

      24/03/2015 at 7:53 am

      Mikey

      You really don’t know SAP schools and the Singapore situation.
      There is no other SAP school ( note the singular noun ) which promotes other languages or cultures. Setting up such a school would come under strict control
      of the government, if approved at all. The reason why madrasahs are in existence, is because of their history of being there long before PAP came into power.

      You need to stop thinking of Malaysia situation to
      understand Singapore.

      I am NOT against PAP, nor LKY. I admire him and I believe a lesser man would not be able to achieve what he had, for Singapore, and for the Chinese. A lesser man would also not have done what he had in erasing any
      credible opposition.

      I believe there no alternative to the PAP led government for now and for the next few decades at least. The opposition parties are as impotent as a castrated bull, at best. I know there are Malays who voted for the opposition, even opposition candidate who admitted being gay. It was mere protest vote. If they had thought carefully, they would ask themselves why would a Muslim vote that way?

      BUT being pro-PAP, does not make me blind or choose to be blind to the race-based policies.

      In general the policies are good. But you don’t know, or
      chose not to know the very policies which are race-based, and ADMITTED by the leaders themselves including LKY.

      The intake of Chinese nationals to augment the Chinese
      population, due to lower birth rate of the Chinese compared to the Malays, had caused unhappiness amongst the Chinese Singaporean themselves. LKY remarked that if nothing was done, the composition of the SAF would change. The minister of defence also commented that in the past there were things which were not quite right, and they were being corrected. The imbalance of race in the SAF was also further explained as a strategy of not putting the Malays in a difficult situation, should there be a conflict.

      “If there is a conflict, if the SAF is called upon to defend the homeland, we don’t want to put any of our soldiers in a difficult position where his emotions for the nation may come in conflict with his emotion for his religion, because these are two very strong fundamentals, and if they are not compatible, then they will be two very strong destructive forces in opposite directions” LHL

      Colonel Ishak bin Ismail caps his 28 years with the
      Singapore Armed Forces by being the first Malay to attain the rank of brigadier-general. He is no longer there. Retired.

      Where is Yusuf Ishak’s son, Imran Ishak?

      Where is the present Malay minister’s brother, who was the first Malay President Scholar?

      Where are Singapore born artistes, Aaron Aziz, Ramli Sarip, M. Nasir? Look at MediaCorp productions. Watching them, one would not be faulted to think that Singapore is in China. Even the `Mata-mata’ series has one Malay character central to the theme. We know that mata-mata was predominantly Malay during that time – Malays from Melaka also nicknamed `Mat Kampau’ (Kampong ).

      Now don’t get me wrong. I am NOT racist being of mixed
      blood. I have Indian, Chinese and Malay blood running through my veins. My job training also allows me to take a neutral view of things. That is why I can see the positive as well as the negative discrimination and policies.

      I understand the need for Chinese predominance in Singapore. I understand the reasons for SAP schools and imbalance in the SAF. If I am in LKY’s shoes, and for the same motives, I would most probably do the same.

      All I am saying is that race-based policies are also in existence in Singapore. I am not saying it is good or bad, because we will never know what the alternatives would lead to. As long as you have race-based policies,
      there will be positive as well as negative discrimination.

      I don’t choose to be blind to the reality. If you want to
      know, then do read `The Singapore Dilemma ‘ and `Singapore in the Malay World’.

      You may bring up the matters which you disagree with, the next time you spot my nick. To me there is no alternative to racial and religious harmony, other than conflicts and violence.

    • mikeydtan

      24/03/2015 at 7:50 pm

      Ho Sobri2 im sry but think youre the one who is misinformed. SAP schools are formrely chinese language schools before PAP came to power, is that much different from madrasahs?

    • Sobri Sobri

      24/03/2015 at 10:04 pm

      My contention was and still is: Race based policies are
      practised in Singapore. Because of that there are positive as well as negative
      discrimination. SAP schools are just one example.

      Do you disagree with that?

      Do read the books I recommended. Then you may discuss with
      me further. You are trying to disprove me with limited knowledge of what the
      minorities know and felt.

      “I went to
      ACSS then NJC….”

      That is perhaps the reason why you don’t understand. You don’t know what it is like in an ordinary
      neighbourhood schools, compared to your elite and SAP schools. How many friends
      do you have from the lower income families?

      “SAP schools
      are formerly chinese language schools before PAP came to power, is that much
      different from madrasahs?”

      Madrasahs are not run using public funds. Only last year
      Madrasah students received Edusave. Do you know that? As I have said, I
      understand the need for SAP schools. I also understand that many policies are
      now being relooked. And that is why I feel the future may be better, with more
      even policies.

      “In malaysia,
      my ex gf studied in USM (universiti sains malaysia) >> this is how it
      works, even when non malay students get in, they have to make friends with
      malays to get the “tips” for the coming exams…”

      Are we discussing Malaysia? We can do that in another thread
      and I can explain further on the matter. But for now, your ex was fortunate.
      The competition in Singapore is so keen that no one would help her. There was a
      case of a compulsory reading being torn from the only copy of a book even
      though one can easily photocopy the pages. The purpose was to deprive others
      from the reading. A copy of the pages had to be sent from a European university
      to replace the pages. OK, that is digression.

      “Why do they
      turn to Malaysian chinese (many friends) ,, becos they are tapping on the
      insecurities of talented ppl. Is there a corresponding insecurity for Malaysian
      or Indonesian Malays to leave their homeland?”

      Bringing in China nationals to work as cashiers tapping on
      talent? Why do you think the Chinese Singaporeans are very unhappy over the
      influx of foreign `talents’? Again this is digression, from my original
      contention.

      “non muslims
      only see death and destruction everyday from ME. This is associated with one
      religion (unfortunately the actors proclaim it as much so …)

      What is your understanding of the Middle east? Are you now
      going into religion when I have proven how ignorant you were concerning the
      race-based policies? Well if you wish to, we could. But first go read `A Peace
      to End All Peace’. We can discuss after that.

      “LKY said
      this is a SECURITY first concern not merly RACE as you perseive it though i
      cannot disagree with you either.”

      I’m surprised that coming from ACSS then NJC, you can’t spell
      perceive correctly. I know` merly ‘was a typo error. If you know what happened
      during the tumultuous years you will understand why LKY Was very concerned
      about security – his own as well as others. Why do you think only the Gurkha
      guards are trusted to ensure security of his residence? It was well within the
      compound of the Istana. There are many
      things you don’t know, and some are not found in any book. Do you know about
      the riot / mutiny by Malay military officers in 1966, a year after Singapore’s
      independence?

      You may be the “Malaysian recipient of the President Scout Award in SIngapore.” and my
      congratulations, but you don’t know much about the politics of Singapore.

      “Malays
      laying on KTM tracks and stoning singaporean cars due to the visit of the then
      president of Israel. So you know how that feels? So if youre malay, you might
      want to also consider a bit that tho racial stereotyping is bad but its a bit
      unavoidable. How many of those who are willing to resort to violence over a
      state visit may end up in a position to do real damage in the military?”

      So what did they lay on the tracks? Eggs?

      If your neighbour has a phobia of big dogs, would you go out
      to get big dogs as pets? It is well within you rights to do so. No one can
      fault you for that. But would you?

      You see, this is something Singapore needs to change: How it
      deals with the neighbours. To understand what I am saying you need to read “
      Singapore in a Malay World – Building and burning bridges”. You will also
      understand why Singapore is having problems with Indonesia every now and then, despite
      being rather kind in terms of aids.

      “how does a
      cow head being delivered to a hindu’s door feel like?”

      You are bringing your negative feelings into this discussion
      on race-based policies in Singapore. Why? What relevance is that? If you wish
      to discuss the matter, I have a Malaysian colleague, a Hindu, who can discuss the
      matter with you. Like me he too can look at matters subjectively, without
      prejudice. He has much more experience and more widely read.

      Do you judge a race or religion from the negative actions of
      the believers? If so, then there is no race or religion which is good in the
      world. Try reading Karen Armstrong’s `Fields of Blood’.

    • mikeydtan

      24/03/2015 at 11:02 pm

      I have friends among the poor malays in malaysia but guess thats not good enough for you, Its ok. my spelling is bad and sometimes i overlook typos but i never claimed to be an english scholar. Anyway I have read too much and experienced a lot myself. Perhaps you are the opposite side to my coin on the other side of the border. I know what you mean by competition and kiasuness, i think the class monitor in NJC ran off with our marked tutorials and someone conned me into teaching them bio when they probably didnt need my help … so i agree singapore can be very kiasu and kiasi. Why is that to do with LKY? Such things are universal. I cal tell you about a malay kady friend who had issues from jealousy of her fellow malay kampung folks at her building … i dont think thats anything to do with the govt. i speak malay with my malay friends. OK so i am not properly disenfranchised to understand some of the issues you raised. So how would you do differently than LKY and PAP? I am still waiting on that. Hope youre not going to keep me waiting until i confirm have finished reading all those excellent books you recommended 🙂 I try not to judge but i am very saddenned that so many even my own malay friends few will speak ill of fellow malay / muslim who are prejudiced or racist. I am thinking it might be a cultural thing but pls know it makes other folks very wary about the birds of the same feather. Its not just the actions of the few but the actions of the others who seemingly do not reject the few. I know, there are those who speak out. not enough.

    • Sobri Sobri

      25/03/2015 at 5:54 am

      Malaysian issues with Indonesia are more like siblings
      quarrelling. They never last and the reconciliation was quick. It is NOT my
      theory. It is the reality which Singapore has to live with. Why do you think Singapore
      spends a major portion of its GDP on the acquisition of state-of-the-art weaponry?

      This itself shows your severe lack of understanding of
      regional dynamics and politics.

      Did I say I approve of violence? If you had ever have a
      discussion with me before you will know that I abhor violence. That was also
      why I support racial and religious understanding. What they did was stupid, as
      stupid as the idiot who jumped up and down on the police car during Bersih
      demonstration.

      My contention was that matters could be more diplomatically
      resolved. So why the invitation to the Israel President? Was that a good move,
      especially just after a `violent’ separation from Malaysia, and Confrontation
      with Indonesia? I do understand Singapore’s debt to Israel though. But when
      Israeli military experts first came to Singapore, they were disguised as
      Mexican tourists. Why? It was a consideration for sensitivity. But what happened
      with the official visit? What changed? That you need to understand which you do
      not.

      I have no doubt about you having poor Malay friends in Malaysia.
      Malaysians are very friendly people. But your friends are living in a country
      where the Malays have political and military powers. The Ketuanan Melayu helped
      them to be acceptable somewhat of their relative poverty, even as they drive
      the Chinese `Tuan’ and fetch him his coffee. ( This is changing fast though. )

      You never claim to be an English scholar, I know, but did
      you not assisted with the writing of Phd papers? Or was it someone else? If so,
      then my sincerest apologies.

      You don’t know me or my work. My ties to both sides of the causeway,
      is what made me the choiced replacement for my mentor. I monitor developments
      on both sides. We can discuss Malaysia at another thread, and another time, if
      you so wish.

      One can never read too much. I have no doubt that after ACSS
      and NJC you would have read lots of books. But what relevant books to this topic
      have you read? You know what I have read. Include also the many books on LKY. If
      you could tell me yours, then it would help me to understand you better.

      What has the kisauness got to do with LKY? Exactly! That was
      what I have been telling you when you digressed to matters concerning Malaysia,
      and even Middle east. I’m glad you realised that. Well, if you wish to discuss
      Middle east, I’m game too, but we’ll find a better thread for that.

      How would I do differently from LKY? Perhaps not much
      different, except for the race-based policies. I would go along with Rajaratnam.
      He believed in the pledge which all students in Singapore say every morning.
      How much of that is being practised, is another matter, altogether.

      Have a nice day.

    • Sobri Sobri

      25/03/2015 at 5:56 am

      I will touch on the culture of the people in another time. For that you may have to wait. But think also Guan Eng never say a word on the Alvivi case.

    • mikeydtan

      24/03/2015 at 11:08 pm

      You speak of singapore having issues with neighbors but malaysia? malaysia also have issues maybe even worse at times with indon. how does that fit in with your theory? so damaging cars are ok as long as they use their bodies to stop trains from following their schedule? i know now never twain will meet … since i get the feeling you are of the opinion that violence is ok. even when the visit in question is the action of a sovereign state, any wonder why sometimes others worry that violence and prejudice is the first reaction of some ppl? Anyway, its been interesting to talk to you. I thank you for giving me some things to think about. Good night Sobri2

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 10:58 pm

      Yes, and all this is LKY’s fault. Its always someone else’s fault, isn’t it?

    • dumno

      19/03/2015 at 11:57 pm

      i am very sure you are not a Singaporean, so you dont have any right to say a shit

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 7:53 am

      My mom a Chinese girl adopted by my grandparents. She was born in Kandang Kerbau Hospital! Left Singapore before 1957!

    • dumno

      24/03/2015 at 5:47 pm

      why said all this unless you like to affirm your place of birth in kandang khinzir

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 1:47 am

      You must be a DAP chinese who’s always rude and arrogant!

    • dumno

      02/04/2015 at 7:33 am

      Salah lah bangang,no deny that you were born in kandang khinziR

    • mikeydtan

      20/03/2015 at 11:07 am

      actually not to argue but all the menial jobs seems to be taken by migrant Chinese from China. No one likes having to import cheap labor but seems not many locals want to do the low end jobs. Even cab drivers are retirees and pensioners. I do have friends in Spore and i do talk to strangers while there so no i dont have to take what i hear on this forum wholesale. Just explaining for the benefit of those who might be persuaded by certain things mentioned as “facts” here which may noy be true generally. I have malay friends, quite a number acquaintances and i can say none of them are bad persons. I have many times had malay motorists stop to help when having car trouble. So i despair when certain folks may tar opinion of others towards these good people with their poisons just by association. Just my two sen. Not insisting i am right and all …

    • Jesus

      23/03/2015 at 10:47 am

      Income is half, maybe because they don’t take education seriously? … Similar to what happens in Malaysia…

      Race isn’t the issue. Priorities are.

    • mikeydtan

      23/03/2015 at 6:54 pm

      In malaysia it is undeniable the chinese is not in power. how is it then the same malays are in the airport terminal and same grouches about being the underprivilaged class? TBH come on, be honest look at the govt policies here, if any non malays made it, they made it IN SPITE OF rather than because of govt policies … unless they are cronies (are they ALL cronies cant be right), so then how to explain it? How would sobri2 and jo endan rule singapore differently from PAP and to bring it to the level of success it has today? More than anything else i would be happy to hear some useful ideas rather than how some folks are not better off. We want to hear how everyone will be better off. and how it could be done, now just a vague manisfesto and complains about the job done by the incumbent.

    • Sobri Sobri

      24/03/2015 at 10:12 pm

      Before you bring in my nick, do read carefully my comments. You are a racist who cannot see beyond your own prejudice. Didn’t I say there is no alternative to the PAP now, or the next few decades?
      You only see what you want to see. Do you know the price Singaporeans have to pay for the `success’? How long can it be sustained? Even the PAP itself is unsure.So far the only city state that is surviving well is Monaco. It is for the world’s wealthy while the people serve them to survive.
      Your ignorance is deafening.

    • Sobri Sobri

      22/03/2015 at 7:48 am

      Miley, do you know that the Singapore soldiers who were killed by the Indonesian commandos during confrontation, at Kota Tinggi, were Muslims? They were the ONLY Singapore military men killed during a conflict on active duty, till today.
      If you really wish to know, read: The Singapore Dilemma and Singapore in the Malay World. Both by Lily Zubaidah Rahim. She comes ( like you wealthy friends ) from a Malay privileged family. Her father was an ex-Minister, and her uncle the first and only Malay President.
      You talked about dialects, but what about the National Language which is now assigned to the waste paper basket? Do you know that when a Chinese student wants to take Malay or Tamil as a 2nd language, he needs the approval of the ministry, and in most cases, denied if the reasons were not `strong’? But if a Malay or an Indian wishes to learn Mandarin as a 2nd language, it is approved at the registration of the school itself.
      Go find out more.

    • mikeydtan

      23/03/2015 at 4:48 pm

      Yes i do know. Its a different age today. The whole point is that the ex-minister didnt do favors to any races just because of its race. There had to be a reason. English and Chinese Mandarin is priritized for business purposes. Singapore has previous little else other than human resource. He sidelined dialects for the exact same reason. He forced the races to live together in a fixed quota for the same reason. IMO if he felt that malay as a business langauge had made sense he wld have prioritised it too but he didnt. Thats the whole point my fren, he doesnt do favors just because its the language of one race or another. Whether one liked it or not, it was for singapore’s survival. The point of mentioning dialects is that he doesnt keep anything which he thinks is not useful. Is that wrong? look at the french, they are also very proud of their language to the extend they fund lingua franca, how does that help them? And France is a big country with huge resources, what did you expect Mr. Lee to do with Singapore?

    • Sobri Sobri

      24/03/2015 at 9:18 am

      “Whole point
      is the ex-minister didnt do favors to any races just because of its race. Isn’t
      that actually racism? He didnt do anything just to court popularity.There had
      to be a reason.”

      Yes, and the
      reason was he needed the Malay support, as he was fighting against the communists.
      He was putting his life on the line. Even the People’s Association then was
      against him. That was also why Tengku was supporting him all the way. Operation
      Cold Store was implemented under Tengku’s watch.

      Why PAP won
      the Malays over in the 1963 elections, was due to the Malay Alliance leaders
      jumping party to PAP.

      How much do
      you really know of Singapore’s history? I was very surprised that in a meeting
      with some Singapore history teachers, my `blow by blow’ account of the tumultuous
      years of Singapore in Malaysia, was greeted with incredulous looks of their
      faces. I had to produce evidence before they believed me. Then the inevitable
      requests for references. Thus I would recommend `The Moment of Anguish’. It is
      a little bias towards LKY, but generally factual in the account.

      “English and
      Chinese Mandarin is prioritized for business purposes. Singapore has precious
      little else other than human resource. He sidelined dialects for the exact same
      reason.”

      I do know
      that, and he mentioned it when his son wanted to get married. THAT was perhaps the
      reason why dialects groups were slowly eliminated. The Hokkien – Teochew conflicts in 1854,
      underlines the danger of Chinese being fragmented along clan lines. Now, you
      don’t get that dialect group anymore in birth certificates. Malays of Indonesian
      descent were registered as Boyanese, Javanese, etc. Many bearing such labels
      are still walking around though they are still termed as Malays.

      The Chinese
      do not have a religion to bind them together. The various `Malay’ groups have
      Islam. It has nothing to do with business purposes.

      In 2014,
      yes, Singapore’s trade with China was the highest, but that was just a tad
      higher than with Malaysia. Combined Malaysia and Indonesia ( the Malay World )
      and you’ll get a much higher trade than with China. How much does Singapore
      actually gain from the China trade? I have been getting conflicting reports on
      that. I also know personally, Singaporean Chinese who had been cheated, and now
      licking their wounds.

      In recent
      years, the biggest trade deficits were recorded with China, Malaysia, the
      United States, Taiwan, Indonesia and the United Kingdom.

      Another
      report stated: China to
      become Singapore’s 2nd largest trading partner by 2030 Malaysia though will
      remain on top. According to the new HSBC Global Connections report, Singapore’s
      exports to Asia (excluding Japan) are expected to rise a fairly robust 7% a
      year on average during 2021-30, with the fastest growing trade routes being
      with China, India and Vietnam over this period. India, for its part, is expected
      to surge and become Singapore’s fifth largest trading partner by 2030

      Anyway, how
      many people do you really need to trade with China? Compare that with the
      number of people who interact with Malaysia and Indonesia on a daily basis. A
      colleague bemoaned his lack of fluency in Malay. Each time he drove to
      Malaysia, even to JB, he brought along his father who is fluent in conversational
      Malay.

      Why do you
      think Malay was made the National Language in the beginning?

      Transactions
      between Iran and China will reach $44 billion by the end of 2014, said the vice
      president of Iran-China Chamber of Commerce. So do you really need SAP schools
      for trade with China?

      “He forced
      the races to live together in a fixed quota for the same reason.”

      Really? For
      what? Spore may be prosperous and can feel relatively safe? Or for commercial?
      How threatening can a 13% race, without economic and political power be ( and
      11 – 12% if you add in PRs) to the
      survival of the country?

      The threat
      now to PAP, (so much so to the present PM , the next elections would be a
      battle ) does not come from the Malays. The Malays have been castrated by the
      housing quota, but even that, areas with sizeable Malays are always suspected during
      elections. Recently, the right move was implemented. Well educated Malays even
      wearing tudung were taken into the PAP. That is why I support LHL.

      “. Even with
      petrol, tin, palm oil, timber, rice and rubber … look at where both countries
      stand relative to the world today. Do you really think that was a fluke? Mr.
      Lee does not forget the past but does not dwell / cling on to it either.”

      You really don’t
      know the baggage he had with him all the time do you? His initial conflict was
      with Tan Siew Sin. He wanted PAP to replace MCA. But Tengku stuck with his
      loyal ally, and rejected PAP. That was when it became an UMNO – PAP conflict.
      Do I need to give you history lesson here? Go read `On Looking Back’ by Tengku.

      You looked
      at the dollar value of Ringgit and SGD, but you forget the real purchasing
      power.

      Read `China
      Wave’ and it will explains how you should compare economy.

      Let me
      relate to you the story of a very successful colleague I know. He came from
      Penang, and he was the brightest son of the two in the family. Better educated,
      he went to Singapore. He was successful alright, and had a double storey
      semi-D, driving a luxury Audi, and annual overseas holidays. His assets, he won’t
      tell. BUT he lamented to me that his dumb brother in Penang, is living in a
      bungalow, had two luxury condos, 3 luxury cars, and most importantly, a more
      leisurely life. He on the other hand is suffering from hypertension, due to his
      work.

      A colleague in
      Singapore was `forced’ to replace his car recently, and could afford just an
      entry level Mazda 3 1.5, at the cost of SGD$115k. It will last him till year 2025,
      regardless the condition of the car. In JB, the same model, with a 2.0 litre
      engine costs RM $130k, that’s about SGD$40k, and it can be used for as long as
      it can run safely.

      Why do you
      think many Malaysians who are Singapore PRs refused to accept the offer for
      citizenship? Even when they had no choice, only one of the couple would accept
      while the other still held on to Malaysian citizenship.

      “Why do we
      still have to identify ourselves as I’m malay or chinese or indian from
      malaysia. Rather than just i’m malaysian?”

      I totally
      agree with you there. Thailand and Indonesia had done it. Everyone in the same type
      of schools, with the same curriculum and having `Malay-sounding’ names. See if
      you can convince Dong Zong on that.

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 12:24 am

      He kicked Malays out by putting bombs to devalue Malay properties and then make Malays pay for drain that run across their homes! It was theft! Nobody can fight the cruel man! So have to leave and migrate to Malaysia! He cried when Singapore was expelled from Malaysia bcos he lost the chance to be PM of a big country and had to be satisfied with tiny Singapore! Watch, MM ==> House back to earth! Listen carefully to what he said! Look at how old was he when this event happened? How tricky, smart and evil this man is!

    • Dzul

      19/03/2015 at 1:34 pm

      Tell us more. Malaysian wants to know

    • ozlandy

      19/03/2015 at 2:30 pm

      jo and boboiboy,who made you a greater malay compared to the other malays in south east asia? who turned you into a more respectable people that the others in south east asia can look up to rather than be looked down upon and despised?

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 6:22 pm

      I graduated in the top 3% of my class and the Alliance/BN govt gave me Scholarship to study in US. If DAP/PAP had been in power I will not have a chance. You have to be admitted to NUS first in order to go to Wharton. Tony Pua entered Oxford through Singapore connection and Khairy’s father was a diplomat in London. Only very talented and previleged individuals can go to those elite schools. There are more candidates applying for top Universities than places

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:28 pm

      I beleive that ALL Malaysians are capable of becoming good or excellent if given the chance and if ‘doors are opened for them!’

      really? if ALL of them capable, why the need to discriminate based on race and religion? IF you believe ALL of them can be good/excellent then why some positions here is restricted by race? as in you can appoint a below average malay but not a above average white to be CEO?

    • jo Endan

      19/03/2015 at 10:09 pm

      Chinese discriminates and promotes Chinese all the time and discrimates outstanding Malays! It takes a White man to appoint Outstanding Malays! My son who graduated with highest distinction is now learning about the Chinese in Malaysia! My Chinese ex-student and sis-in-law told me that DAP members went round recruiting young engineers from private companies in Penang and instructed bosses not to hire Malays. This is supported by a study by a Chinese lecturer from UM/UKM?

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 10:15 pm

      so you justified your discrimination of the chinese by saying the chinese also discriminates?

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:07 am

      I believe in fairness and my conscience guide me in what ever things that I do!

    • dumno

      20/03/2015 at 12:03 am

      racist bigot
      dont dare you claim yorself as a Malay shame on you

    • mikeydtan

      20/03/2015 at 10:57 am

      Hey guys, lets stop feeding online trolls. Maybe they would go away maybe not but at least ir wont be becos we gave any encouratement.

    • dumno

      20/03/2015 at 12:03 am

      i see, you are one of the cybertroopers

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 7:54 am

      You think all talented Malaysians are give any chance at all?

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 11:52 pm

      Jo, this LKY was truly a busy little beaver wasn’t he? Running around making sure that every single Malay in Singapore suffered some kind of misfortune. Hahahahahahaha. He a bad man!

    • jo Endan

      20/03/2015 at 8:02 am

      Watch ==> You Tube, MM ==> House back to earth!

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 7:47 am

      Last December, I traveled with a Malay couple with two boys just completed their secondary education.They broke from the main tour group to watch a local German football club playing. I thought they were Malaysians, they laughed and said they wouldn’t be able to afford the exchange rate if he had to use the ringgit. He politely indicated that his was Singapore dollars! I then knew where he was from. He was proud to be one. Indeed those who depend on the 30% factor will indeed curse him!

    • daveyboy

      19/03/2015 at 9:18 am

      agreed! umno stupid people could learn a lot from him. unfortunately, ”you can lead a human to knowledge, but you can’t make him think” is too true, even today.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 9:27 am

      so you are equating umno to the whole malaysia as stupid? no wonder malays hate you chinese immigrants.

    • john

      19/03/2015 at 9:42 am

      he made a good point there. if 1 in 10 malays chooses to support dumno, that disastrous enough for our nation.

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 8:09 am

      Why?? Surely NOT just blindly?

    • norfolkinwhey

      19/03/2015 at 9:45 am

      He made no mention of ‘the whole Malaysia’ unless of course you think um no is malaysia.

    • Grace Pangpek

      19/03/2015 at 9:49 am

      Things we lose have a way of coming back to us in the end, if not always in the way we expect. No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

    • Atol

      19/03/2015 at 9:54 am

      No just you. The rest of them are ok.

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 10:41 am

      WOW, you really are an A-hol.

    • Grace Pangpek

      19/03/2015 at 9:55 am

      The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential… these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence. Do not call UMNO stupid ok, we all are humans. Check what is happening in America for more than 200yrs Black people are been killed for nothing is that not enough t think what this man done to Malays in this Nation?

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 12:53 pm

      you think you are so smart? ahole!

    • idrus adam

      19/03/2015 at 10:50 am

      Great Leader my two hairy balls drop to the floor!, go watch “One Nation Under Lee” and see what he truly is

    • Mister Godiva

      19/03/2015 at 2:15 pm

      yes hes a snake. just like most chinese are.

    • opls

      19/03/2015 at 9:52 pm

      and the racist is like a pig? just like you are?

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 7:42 am

      A snake like most Chinese? By your name, just visit your country of origin, you will find plenty of COBRAS!

    • idrus adam

      19/03/2015 at 11:01 am

      Great Leader my two hairy balls drop to the floor!, go watch “One Nation Under Lee” and see what he truly is

    • WFC

      20/03/2015 at 8:08 am

      LOL! I love corruption! especially if I can be part of it! national guidance?

    • jo Endan

      01/04/2015 at 1:17 am

      Small man and small nation always think that small things are great and Big man and Big nation always think that Great is small!

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