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Why MORE Msian parents dowan to vaccinate their kids? [UPDATE]

*Article ni available dalam Bahasa Melayu, tekan sini untuk baca!

UPDATE [23 June 2016]: There appears to be a recent diphtheria outbreak, so it’s time to revisit this vaccination topic. According to reports so far, a two-year-old boy from Kedah and a seven-year-old girl from Malacca have died, and a lot more people in close contact with the deceased children have been admitted to the hospital for check-ups.

Diphtheria is an infectious disease caused by bacteria which spreads easily through the air. It mainly infects the throat and upper airways, and produces a toxin affecting other organs. This disease can be contained by administering vaccination.


UPDATE: Yeap, they’re official! There’s an anti-vaccine movement in Kedah acknowledged by the Health Ministry. Many of them reject the vaccines because they’re scared it contains pig DNA. However, the Deputy Health Minister Datuk Seri Dr Hilmi Yahaya announced that they’re starting an awareness campaign to educate parents that most vaccines don’t have pig DNA.

Meanwhile we also have commenters who choose not to vaccinate explaining their views here and on our Facebook. Engagement is off the charts yo! Check out their views.

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Remember your BCG in Standard 6? Time for a revisit! We came across this article from The Star about how so many Malaysian parents have stopped vaccinating their kids. Call it urbanite’s disease or whatever but this was a shock to us – hello, it’s 2015 and you’d think more people have access to vaccinations right? But the problem here is not access. It’s choice.

As the trend to vaccinate goes down, down, DOWN, the Malaysian Paediatric Association is afraid the number of kids catching diseases will go up, up, UP. Not to mention in current times, there’s higher risk with the influx of foreign workers from 12 different countries whose vaccination statuses are not known. But the irony of it is…

…it’s the EDUCATED parents who are rejecting vaccines.


So… ‘Educated’, huh? Aren’t we taught vaccines are GOOD for us?

You know how all this while we’ve been taught vaccines are good for us, since they were first introduced to Malaysia in 1958?

Well, the important thing to understand about vaccines is, they are a preventive measure. They don’t kill the viruses. These viruses will still exist in the world. They’re just supposed to make a vaccinated person’s body immune. So if you’re healthy but unvaccinated, and you are in close proximity to someone sick (in the bus, train, in a kindergarten, in a kopitiam), you could catch the disease too.

Take a look at how it’s helped the US over time:


Chart from

Over here we have a list of mandatory jabs in Malaysia called a ‘vaccination schedule’. Other countries also have their own, though the jabs may not necessarily be the same.

CHUP, if this is mandatory, how can parents be skipping the jabs? Won’t go to jail meh? According to the Health Ministry, it’s not enforceable policy and non-vaccinated kids can still go to school.

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We know needles are scary but c’mon! Image from

Ok, injections were like our childhood nightmares… but are today’s parents soooo traumatised, they decided not to put their own kids through it?

Nolah. Here are the real reasons…


1. They believe it gives kids AUTISM!

hate anti vacc pro disease. Original image from IB Times

Rly tho, this is how they sound like. But image fake one yaaa? Original image from IB Times

There’s an anti-vaccine movement, big in the US, that said vaccination causes autism. Apparently some guy named Andrew Wakefield did a study to ‘prove’ it, but the study was found to be FAKE by The Sunday Times, and was then retracted. However, the damage had already been done, and worldwide vaccination rates dropped 🙁

Aiyo, and it seems to be catching on in Malaysia, gaining traction in our country around 2012 (partly due to social media). To the point where 114 government, private and university paediatricians released a statement pleading with parents to stop believing the anti-vaccine cause. WALAO 114!! When have we ever seen the gomen and private sector so united? In fact, all around the world, doctors, medical experts, and health organisations advocate vaccination.

One mother, Erina Law told The Malay Mail Online that she stopped bringing her kids to doctors after her son developed autism. Now the family visits a homeopathy practitioner instead. Like Erina, many Malaysians parents are looking to homeopathic and traditional remedies, and they believe those cannot be mixed with modern medicine like vaccination, according to The Star.

Erina added that even with vaccination, people still contract diseases, so she believes it doesn’t work. OK, it CAN happen for a number of reasons – maybe your body didn’t develop full immunity after vaccination, or maybe you didn’t get all the doses for full effectiveness. Check back your health records to find out lah. But let’s not forget that smallpox was successfully eradicated in 1980.

offended smallpox virus. Original image from

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Again, this whole vaccination-autism thingy has been scientifically proven to be a bunch of BOLLOCKS! In the end, The Lancet, a publication which published the ‘study’, retracted it!

So NO, it does NOT give kids autism.


2. They also believe it has BAD side-effects

Including DEATH.

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We cannot deny there have been horror stories. Bessie (not her real name) vaccinated her eldest child with no drama. Her experience with her second child however, was terrible:

“She was vaccinated in the morning and the swelling and discomfort started not long after and the following night. She cried persistently for 3 hours and gave one very loud, high-pitched scream.” – Bessie told The Star

Her baby later had brain inflammation, behavioural change and loss of eye-contact and speech delay. BUTTT, she did not die. Another parent Dan, had the same ‘weird’ high-pitched scream incident when he vaccinated his twins.

Who could blame them? It’s enough to scare any parent! But while vaccination can have side-effectsMOST of the time, they’re mild and they disappear within 1-2 days:

  • temporary pain
  • redness, swelling, or soreness where the shot was given
  • short flu-like symptoms (fever, headache, fatigue, vomiting, etc.)
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The mark can look like this for weeks. Keep calm and DON’T SCRATCH. Image from

The more severe side-effects would be anaphylactic shock (an allergic reaction that can be fatal), Acute Disseminated Encepha­lomyelitis (ADEM. An inflammation of the brain and spinal cord), or DEATH. But according to WHO, these are extremely RARE.

1 in 4 Msians still won't leave the house during CMCO! 10 stats from our Duduk Rumah Survey

In Malaysia, there were 102 reports of ‘Adverse Events Following Immunisation’ (AEFI) out of 4.1 million vaccination doses given to children in 2014. That’s only 0.000025%. You have a higher chance of falling down the stairs, but you don’t use rock climbing harness oso. MORE reassuringly:

“Most AEFI cases reported involved minor reaction at injection site, mild fever and rash which were resolved uneventfully.” – Datuk Dr. Noor Hisham Abdullah, Health Ministry Director-General, The Star

Don’t get us wrong, we don’t mean to downplay the side-effects that can cause death. That’s why at the very first sign of any weird symptoms after vaccination, parents should quickly consult their paediatrician and notify the National Pharmaceutical Control Bureau.

It’s just that the risks of vaccines are much LOWER than the risks of diseases they’re supposed to prevent.


3. They’re concerned it’s non-halal

vaccination non halal pig

Images from and

Ya, this issue again. Haiz. Marwan Shukriman, a dad who decided not to vaccinate his child said they were obtained from non-halal sources such as pig stomachs, monkey hearts and other animal parts. Yuck, sounds more like traditional medicine to us!

We looked to verify this and found some vaccines contain pig gelatine as a stabiliser. Here’s an interesting fact – viruses are grown in labs on animal cell-lines because they can only grow in human or animal cells! Muslim leaders have ruled it does not break religious dietary laws because it’s highly purified and injected, rather than ingested. Then in 2001, WHO consulted 100 Muslim scholars who unanimously agreed it was acceptable.

We also checked to see how other Muslim countries handled vaccination. In Saudi Arabia, they do vaccinate and what’s more their coverage more comprehensive than ours. They have rotavirus and pneumococcal conjugate (PVC) jabs, whereas in Malaysia it’s optional. In the UAE, they also mandate PVC and chickenpox, but we don’t enforce chickenpox jabs here.

Back in Malaysia, Penang Health Exco Dr. Afif Bahardin reassured Muslims that the vaccines are halal and fatwas have decreed it. Not all vaccines got fatwa though. But for those who are still not convinced, there’s good news! Malaysia is working with Saudi Arabia to provide halal vaccines in 2 years.


4. Others just reckon it’s safe cos other people’s kids are vaccinated adi

Some parents feel that if everyone else’s kids have been vaccinated, they don’t need to vaccinate theirs? What they don’t know is, they are exposing OTHER people’s kids to danger when they don’t vaccinate their own!! This is called herd immunity:

herd immunity. Image from

So if everyone is vaccinated, the disease can pupus altogether. Image from

“This is like riding in a car pool where everyone contributes each month to pay for gas, repairs to the car, etc.; and one morning a new guy shows up and says, “I think I’ll ride along with you. But I’m not going to pay, since you’re going downtown anyway and you have an empty seat.” If enough people choose to take a free ride on other children’s immunity, herd immunity will soon disappear.” – Centre for Disease Control’t.last.forever. If more and more people take a ‘free ride’ on other children’s immunity, herd immunity WILL disappear. The worst thing is, parents don’t know the danger…

“Most modern parents have never seen the devastating effects that diseases like polio, measles, or whooping cough (pertussis) can have on a family or community. It’s easy to think of them as diseases that only existed in the past when the bitter truth is, they still exist.” – Dr. Kamal Amzan on

And NOW more than ever there is a concern of breaking the herd immunity chain in Malaysia because of 2 reasons: LESS kids getting vaccinated and there are MORE foreign workers from countries where immunisation rates are low. We made a chart to explain what will happen…

herd immunity malaysia vaccine

So more people can catch diseases

Not that these are actual figures today in Malaysia, so don’t panic. We merely wanted to illustrate how the landscape would look if EVERYONE rejects vaccination.

At the same time, there are parents who are simply against capitalism (they believe it’s all a conspiracy by bad, evil corporations to make $$ selling vaccines). Or they’re pro-choice (other people have no business telling me what to do with my kids). But do you really wanna risk your child getting a FATAL disease just to prove a point?!

In Malaysia, there was a case of an 8-month-old baby who had 250ml of fluid drained from his chest and was warded in the ICU because his parents refused the pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV). “The hospital bill was 18 times the cost of the total course of the vaccine,” said Datuk Dr. Zulkifli Ismail, the Subcommittee Chairman for immunisation at the Malaysian Paediatric Association.


OK ibubapa, to vaccinate, or not to vaccinate?

Nobody wants to gamble with the lives of their children. But at the end of the day, the pros greatly outweigh the cons, so it is the better bet.
pros cons vaccination diseases

And as mentioned, the odds of severe side-effects happening like death have been recorded as extremely rare.

NOTHING in this world is absolutely safe. Driving, crossing the street, walking down the stairs…heck, you could die from eating kangkung!

The story of how vaccination came about is one of RISK… In 1718, Lady Mary Wortley Montagu (wife of British ambassador to Constanti­nople), inoculated her 2 children against smallpox based on the Turkish Uthmaniah (Ottoman) process. Historically, inoculation had been practiced by the Turkish and Chinese long before Westerners made it widespread. Sure some people of her time trashed her for being a ‘bad’ mother. But thanks to her, her OWN children, and today billions of children around the world are saved.

And those who argue it’s their personal choice…is an individual’s choice more important than public interest, especially when it comes to public health? As Dr. Shaikh Mohd, Senior Fellow at Ikim’s Centre for Science and Environment Studies said, we cannot let ourselves be so blinded by conspiracy theories until we forget the decades of established scientific facts.

“Anti-vaccina­tion parents risk the return of these diseases, causing big problems to not just the health authority but to the community and nation.” – Dr. Shaikh Mohd on The Star

angry vaccination girl meme

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C’mon ugaiz: think of the keedz. Share this with the parents you know!


  1. Edward Lye

    28/06/2016 at 5:21 am Medical Doctor Retracts H1N1 Vaccine Advice After Reading Insert! HEALTH MINISTER for Poland SHOWS WISDOM OVER H1N1 vaccine The Other Side Of The Dr. Andrew Wakefield Story: What The Mainstream Media Won’t Tell You

  2. cicakyo

    22/10/2015 at 12:13 pm

    seriously there’re so many points in your ‘well informed’ article that I can talk about, but let me just zoom into one for now: “In Malaysia, there were 102 reports of ‘Adverse Events Following Immunisation’ (AEFI) out of 4.1 million vaccination doses given to children in 2014. That’s only 0.000025%. You have a higher chance of falling down the stairs, but you don’t use rock climbing harness oso.” Just tell me how many do even know that AEFI exists? Many parents don’t even realize they have vaccine injured kids because the information is not well shared. So how then do they even go about reporting it? And many parents are not aware that vaccines have side effects too. So well, do a well-balanced research or STFU coz you’re bias and it’s not helping.

    • New Jo-Lyn

      22/10/2015 at 3:11 pm

      Hi. Well, I can’t tell you how many know AEFI exists because I am not every Malaysian parent. That’s why we’re writing about AEFI now, so that people can read about it. Some vaccine injuries or side effects can be quite generic (let’s say fever). But sometimes it could be that the child got a fever randomly. Not everyone’s body reacts the same way. Therefore we mentioned how many cases were reported in 2014 (102 cases) and that not all of them were severe effects. We didn’t hide the fact that deaths have happened before. But like we said, children could just as easily get hurt from other things…even activities we do in daily life. Anyhow we did say at the end it’s every parents’ choice.

    • Edward Lye

      22/10/2015 at 10:10 pm

      In America it is no longer the parent’s choice. New laws prohibit opting out on religious grounds. I feel sorry for the Amish. Wen you have kids, remember what my youtube links have delivered.

    • Simon Chen

      22/10/2015 at 7:25 pm

      Have you been vaccinated before?

  3. Ash

    22/10/2015 at 12:08 pm

    “One strong argument against vaccination comes from the
    late George Carlin who used to swim in sewage infested
    waters around New York city as a kid. He claims he
    never got sick.”

    You sound like you’ve done your research bruh

    • cicakyo

      22/10/2015 at 12:20 pm

      exactly right, this is really a half baked article!

    • Ash

      22/10/2015 at 12:26 pm

      i was actually addressing the commenter below, not the writer :/

    • cicakyo

      22/10/2015 at 12:38 pm

      ooh hahahaha, in the midst of my defensiveness I didn’t realize it.

  4. Edward Lye

    22/10/2015 at 11:17 am

    I regret to say that your article is frivolous and
    I have been following this battle royale over the
    vacination business and never forget that it is a
    I have also posted queries wherever those websites
    allow comments and nobody has pointed out a gold
    standard study done about the effectiveness of
    vaccinations using TWINS{one gets a placebo and one
    gets the real thing and it’s sulit}. I see good
    arguments on both sides but like all hard nosed film
    and book detectives, I always follow the money. I have
    been vaccinated. It is maybe 3 for 4 times only. That
    vaccine was made with 55 year old technology. I believe
    different ingredients are used in the mass produced
    ones nowadays. Some involve mercury and aluminum known
    to be able to cross the blood brain barrier……and do
    not get removed.
    One strong argument against vaccination comes from the
    late George Carlin who used to swim in sewage infested
    waters around New York city as a kid. He claims he
    never got sick. The human body is remarkably able to
    fight off intruders of all sorts. The design is
    successful enough that we have reached 7.38 billion and
    most of that comes from people who have never been
    vaccinated. The human microbiome protects you from the
    outside and the inside. Saliva kills off some
    intruders. Then the stomach acid puts up another
    formidable defense followed by the gut bacteria. Guess
    what? Vaccination implants foreign intruders right past
    all these defences. Open house in a very bad way. Once
    you get “immunised”, guess what? It isn’t lifelong.
    Don’t ask your doctor. They have no time to keep up
    with every study published and don’t forget that the
    media most probably filters those. Studies that favour
    vaccination tend to get more published than those that
    don’t. I remember 8Mar2008. The news on TV tend to
    mention BN victories but the SMSes we got on our phones
    during dinner told another story. Keep that in mind.
    Wakefield is unjustly villified. Wakefield never spoke
    out against vaccination. He questioned why you needed
    to give 3 at the same time instead of individually.
    The Lancet withdrew the article due to political
    pressure. Ask yourself how it was accepted for
    publication in the first place? Wasn’t it peer
    In some anti-vaccination youtube videos, researchers
    point out that mortality drops with improved public
    hygiene and did not correlate with the introduction of
    vaccination. The same with the climate scientists
    charts. They never point out that global surface
    temperatures rose first followed by the rise in carbon
    dioxide levels. Scientists and doctors and universities
    are not immune from corruption.
    If your kid is already vcaccinated, what is the worry
    if the other kids in the school are not vaccinated?
    Don’t you believe your kid is protected?
    Some childhood diseases are better left as childhood
    diseases. It is just an inconvenience and confers to
    the body a stronger immune system. Protecting them will
    lead to worse outcomes. I got chickenpox as an
    adult. I know how bad it is.
    In the US, they intend to give kids 49 vaccines. Ask
    yourself how insane that is. I consider that a form of
    child abuse. Taking care of a damaged child robs the
    family of all their resources forcing them to be
    dependent on the prevailing government and unable to
    resist the increasing number of abuses done by them.
    Finally, every drug comes with a document detailing
    contraindications and adverse reactions with other
    medication. I have in front of me such a document that
    came with Coversyl Plus{hypertension}. It is 6 pages. I
    dare you to publish one from a common vaccine like MMR
    and maybe HPV vaccine. I would like to know exactly how
    many side-effect each has.
    Failing that I strongly suggest that you retract this

    • New Jo-Lyn

      22/10/2015 at 3:59 pm

      Hi Edward. Thanks for sharing your points. We can see that you’ve researched deeply into the topic. It would be great if you could share your data and links with us. In our article we gave both sides of the argument and conclude that it’s every parents choice. It’s just that parents who do believe in vaccination will not be happy because someone else’s exposed child could potentially harm theirs…breaking the chain of herd immunity. Just as anti-vacc parents want to have their opinion, pro-vacc parents are not allowed to have theirs? Meanwhile, you can’t expect everyone’s body or immune system to be as hardy as George Carlin’s. If EVERYONE’s body were naturally able to fight off diseases, no one would die of diseases. However, if you’re anti-corporation, then vaccinations is only the tip of the iceberg. As for the US, they have their own reasons for 49 vaccines. For Malaysia, we 9 types, given 27 different doses. Every country is also different and face different disease problems. We came across a few different vacc schedules by different countries. So anyways, if you’re saying we should let kids naturally kena the diseases and wait for their bodies to fight it off, what if it’s something like polio? It could leave a child debilitated for the rest of his/her life. Since you said: “Taking care of a damaged child robs thefamily of all their resources”, but what about a kid contracts a disease BECAUSE he/she was not vaccinated? Their recovery bills are gonna be so much more expensive. Anyways, do share the links you had with us.

    • Edward Lye

      22/10/2015 at 6:04 pm

      A bully gets knocked down to the ground. Only now the timid kids who were cowering before are now brave enough to gather round to punch and kick the bully. If you just reached this scene, who would you say was the bully and who was the victim? The first scientist to come to mind to be vilified was the polymath Galileo Galilei who challenged the DOGMA of an Earth centered solar system. Subsequently on 31 October 1992, Pope John Paul II
      expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled, and issued a
      declaration acknowledging the errors committed by the Catholic Church
      tribunal that judged the scientific positions of Galileo Galilei, The second person to come to mind is the British Engineer Eric Laithwaite who suggested that the law of conservation of energy could be violated by gyroscopes. And now Dr Andrew Wakefield. You missed presenting his side of the story. Both Eric and Andrew are still alive. There was no “trial”. Vaccination is one of the DOGMAs of modern medicine.

      He was deemed the bad guy and it became open season to attack him in any way possible. I don’t condone that. To all of you who threw the first stone, didn’t Professor Severus Snape turn out to be on the good side after all?

      After my first heart attack, I researched into medication because I was having side-effects ……. nightmares ………… suddenly awake at 3AM. So I googled and found out a lot of things my doctors were not telling me. I discovered The Kalama Sutta. I researched diet, cholesterol, statins, hypertension, On Youtube, I met doctors whose

      advice went contrary to what my doctors were giving me, you know, low salt, low fat, salmon, omega-3, canola. There was truth and there was absolute bunkum. The only thing that helped me decide what was truth and what was rubbish was the Kalama Sutta. I had assembled 32GB worth of material. Then I came across more stuff and I think it is over 200GB by now spanning topics such as (911),(bad_authorities_poLitics_and_other_pLots_and_deceptions),(Barbara_ONeiLL),(choLesteroL_and_statins),(coLonoscopy),(common_core),(fake_miLk),(food),(FSMA),(globaL_warming_cLimate_change),(gmo),(heart_disease),(kidney),(more_kursk),(pesticides_roundup_gLyphosate),(saLt),(Sandy_Hook_con_job),(sugar_and_or_obesity),(titanic),(TWA800),(vaccines).

      I am pretty sure whatever the government{any government} says is probably outright fabrication or vastly exaggerated.
      I do not keep any links. I only keep screen captures of each webpage. I have not watched every single thing I have collected but among those I have watched, I am pretty sure Wakefield is innocent. I am leaning towards anti-vaccination. There is a BOUGHT movie by Jeff Hays(or Hayes). The free viewing is over. There is How to educate yourselves about vaccines v=pT6p8l0-6XQ on youtube. v=RyG5uz3LdTw is pro-vaccine but she sounds like a shrill for Big Pharma. Try these for start.

      I have shown you a tiny bit of mine, now show me yours : Obtain and present the package inserts for MMR and HPV.

    • Simon Chen

      22/10/2015 at 7:29 pm

      So you have never been vaccinated in your entire live?
      Also, I did not know Medicine is a Religion.

    • Edward Lye

      22/10/2015 at 9:17 pm

      01 read my first post carefully.
      02 dogma = “a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.” Religions have a lot of these but it is not exclusive to religions. 8 glasses of water. Piranhas are blood thirsty killers. Lemmings regularly commit mass suicide. Hello Kitty is a cat.The world trade centre towers collapsed due to plane strikes. A King’s or Queen’s authority is granted by God. Leprosy is contagious. Cows do not eat meat. Mice eats cheese. Fish cannot catch flying birds. Planes fly because of the faster air flowing over the top of their wings. All these are dogmas.

    • Simon Chen

      22/10/2015 at 9:40 pm

      1) So you don’t get vaccination?
      2) The article provided a link and explains that you vaccination “Galileo” has been debunked.

    • Edward Lye

      03/11/2015 at 1:57 pm

      In “Painful disease in all ways”{The Sun Tue 03Nov2015 page 22}, it is stated
      that “It is also reported that 95% of adults over 50 who have had chickenpox
      are at risk of contracting shingles due to their lowered immune system. The
      scientific explanation for this is the REACTIVATION of the varicella zoster
      virus that triggered the chickenpox – the virus NEVER really goes away EVEN
      AFTER a person has RECOVERED from chickenpox as it HIDES in the nerve cells of
      the body.”
      This means that for chickenpox, there is no such thing as lifelong immunity and
      if that is the case, what on earth guarantees that the medical dogma of
      lifelong immunity even exists for any disease. Has anyone proven it? Once again George Carlin
      states that the only way to build a tough immune system is to constantly exercise
      it. If you keep avoiding crowds, keep using anti-bacterial soap, keep
      sanitizing your hands, use all manner of bug screens, bug repellants, etc, you
      are simply going the opposite of what nature has engineered over millenia of
      evolution. So when you take vaccine after vaccine, some might linger in your
      body and when your immune system is weakened, you develope the disease and to
      add insult to injury, you are the CARRIER and the index case or patient zero of
      a new outbreak. Way to go.
      Normally when people fear a disease, it is the mortality that is measured.
      Being scarred or crippled is still heads and shoulders better than dead. There
      are lots of things you cannot participate in when you are dead. Think about

    • Edward Lye

      16/11/2015 at 1:23 am

    • Edward Lye

      17/11/2015 at 12:52 pm

    • Edward Lye

      17/11/2015 at 9:43 pm

      The thought occurred to me after watching “The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic” that once their supply of guinea pigs{the entire American public} is already contaminated, they would need a fresh source of guinea pigs to keep their bio-weapons programme running. And the best source of these are the poor undeveloped countries who are only too glad to receive vaccinations under some humanitarian excuse…………..

      I am inclined to believe this history lesson since no Hollywood script writer could come up with such a far-fetched plot. No wait, I am mistaken. Argo did happen and so did the Titanic, TWA800 and WTC1,2,7.

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